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 p.102 #9 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread | |
skibum5 wrote:
how did putting those featues in hurt it?
I didn't say it hurt the camera. It hurts the diffrenciation between the cameras. Enough Nikon peope will buy the D700 instead of the D3 because of it.
Now, from a customers viewpoint, that's a good thing, and it certainly doesn't bother me. But it could impact the business in a negative way, and in the long run, that could be bad for customers as well.
suppose they had out the D700 sensor in the 5dmkii body that would sell better than the D700?? more fps and better AF and less lag time HURT the D700?
If they had not put in those features there would be ZERO reason to get it over a 5DMkII, for anyone and absolutely less than zero reasons to get a D300 over a 40D (as it is, it's somewhat debatable to say the least).
Well, Nikon certainly didn't put these features in to outsell the 5D mkII. The 5D mkI, yes. They didn't know about the mkII at the time.
But, I think we will see the 5D mkII outsell the D700 handily.
The auto focus is not the main reason why a camera can shoot at higher frame rates, though it's part of the equation. That's a much more complex situation. It has to do with getting data out of the sensor, the processing speed of the cpu, whether the camera supports a high enough speed flash card, how much internal memory the camera has, etc.
Maybe it hurt the D3 and maybe the slightly lesser profit margin on the D700 and
lost D3 sales will bring them down more than any increased sales, but that i snot for sure and even if it is, the fact that have it set like that might've brought some over and kept others in their camp which might outweight any loss in the other sense.
I believe that's a certainty. I'm seeing many words on that very subject around the web. Why buy higher frame rates and a heavier, more expensive body when the D700 has many of the same features, and you don't REALLY need the D3?
It's a problem.
and if the 5dmkii will hurt the sales terribly how much would a $200 worht better parts in the 5dmkii have hurt it? there would be almost no point in the D700 in that case.
The point for the D700 is for Nikon showing the world that they are not the losers in D-SLR's that most people think they are. They had to do something drastic, to get the good press back, and the D700 was it.
and does it make sense to let nikon catch up so much? maybe canon will squeeze more out this way and come out ahead in $$ in the end, but if they cary things too far and annoy too many, especially with the 1dmkiii stuff, slowly maybe they will sorry.
I doubt that Canon intentionally allowed Nikon to catch up. From what I'm being told, Canon was as surprised at the two cameras as the rest of us were. What we've seen for years is that Canon comes out with a camera, and Nikon comes out with one about a year later that's slightly better in some areas, but not in all. Then shortly after that, Canon comes out with one that knocks Nikon's to the ground in most every way.
As Nikon had shown no ability to truly challenge Canon, Canon was taken off guard. I don't think that will happen again.
does seem like they could've at least made the center point f/2.8 in BOTH directions without any worry of messing things up and certainly over three years time that is not too much of a drain on resources!
I don't know why they didn't do that. My only guess is that because a 2.8 sensor spot is less effective with slower lenses, they wanted to keep a 5.6 spot there as well. In tests of cameras with all 2.8 spots, there have been focus problems noted with slower lenses.
sometimes i wonder if they hadn't planned to put in a lesser version of the new system, but ti didn't work out yet and they jumped to the old sensor again quickly last minute.
Yes. I've thought that is possible. I mentioned here that it could have been possible they had contemplated putting a simpler version of the 1D system in, but with the problems the 1D has had, they thought better of it. If so, I'm happy they did what they did. But we may never know.
anwyay, whatever.
and yes many people will be very happy with the 5dmkii.
and myabe the IS somewhat better AND as fast as in a 40D and maybe fps is the only place where it lags a bit.
we'll see.
True, except that my 5D focuses better than my daughter's 40D.
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doesn't seem like either side is going to be persuaded by rhetoric alone ...
