All the new 5DII apologists on here are cracking me up.
I'm about as big of a 5D fan as you can get. I love both of mine, and use them constantly to pay the bills and fill the coffers. They're my main tools in my business.
I'm disappointed in the new 5DII. If it turns out that they just recycled the AF from the 5D, Canon can kiss my ass, I'm just waiting for Nikon to release a couple new primes and I'm gone. I'm well aware that Canon won't miss me, and that they don't give a flying f*ck what I, or any other pro, think.
The ONE improvement the 5D really needed, and they screwed the pooch. I don't give a damn about more resolution. That only matters if the shot is in focus. The 1D Mk. II had multiple cross-type sensors 5+ years ago. WTF Canon? It's not difficult.
The rest of the camera is cool, but damn they failed where it mattered. And don't say "but the IQ is the BEST EVARRR!". You've seen naught but a few corporate samples, and none of you have used it.
And before anyone gives the oh-so-tired line of "what do you expect for $2700?" ... I'd be more than willing to pay $5000 for a 5DII with all the specs it has, with a proper bloody AF array. I'm sick of using only the center point, or the useless outer points.
ulrikft wrote:
I think you are the only one thinking that the 50d beats the d700 on the IQ side :P
Being religious is all good I guess, but you could try to be a bit realistic
Maybe I am the only one. There was no big chance till now. I compared just half a dozend prepro samples of both at 1600/3200. The noise seemed very comparabel to me even the 50Ds 100% crop showed a slighty smaller part of the image. Not to forget: comparing an FF sensors pic to an 1.6 crop. Getting an nearly equal noise appereance of course lets me guess, that D50s IQ is better in relation.
RyanFlynn wrote:
And before anyone gives the oh-so-tired line of "what do you expect for $2700?" ... I'd be more than willing to pay $5000 for a 5DII with all the specs it has, with a proper bloody AF array. I'm sick of using only the center point, or the useless outer points.
I think many of us are hoping that gets delivered in the form of a 3D or 1dmk4 as a surprise at Photokina. But that's probably a pipe dream.
sigh... Do you guys really have a problem getting shots in focus with the current 5D? I must be the luckiest sob on the planet. My 2 5D's perform great in all conditions not Servo. But I don't use my 5D's for work that requires servo. I guess perspective comes from what the user's primary applications might be.
BTW: The ISO 6400 image (albeit not full rez) on the Japan site looks quite good.
what i mean is the D700 still kills it for fps and probabyl for AI servo.
and the D800 might also match it on MP.
granted teh 5dmkii kills the D700 on MP
but it's a tradeoff.
if you shoot soccer/basketball.football fps and AF can make a huge difference
Ralph Conway wrote:
Very bizarre? Your comment is.
There is really still somebody out there not already having Nikon gear or no gear, who thinks about D700 since it was outdated in IQ 3 weeks ago by 50D at the half price? D700 sales range wide below the expected numbers, I was told by my dealer.
This "shitty" not "weather sealed" camera with its "ashamed AF improofment" just set a new worldstandard in DSLRs.
Who still thinks about Nikon A700: Go to your dealer and buy one.
I shoot people and fashion. 4FPS are more than I need. AF was excellent before and did not need any change. Still it looks improved. 21MP and ISO 3200/6400 are the keywords. I never saw a Canon follow up offering lower IQ, than its prerelease. I guess its the same with 5D MK II (nice they kept the name and did not go with that rumor imaginations). Its again a milestone in photo gear. There is no competitor out there now.
And its not only best, but at a great price, too.
What the hell do all of you who remained unhappy expect?
That is no question and I do not need an answer. I know: fully weathersealed, 39 point AF, 7 frames per second and so on. What for?
Canon: It looks to me, you did an excellent job. Thank you. Show me some sample images please about ISO 3200/6400. If 3200 is in 5Ds 1600 IQ I will buy one about christmas. If ISO 6400 is about, I plan to buy a second one next year in Mai as a backup body.
oasis wrote:
I think many of us are hoping that gets delivered in the form of a 3D or 1dmk4 as a surprise at Photokina. But that's probably a pipe dream.
That would be lovely. I don't mind the price (although Nikon's proved that you can certainly do it right without paying up the arse for it), I just want something that works. I don't want the heft of two 1DsIII's on my shoulder for 12 hours straight, or I'd be using those.
ulrikft wrote:
I think you are the only one thinking that the 50d beats the d700 on the IQ side :P
Being religious is all good I guess, but you could try to be a bit realistic
Maybe I am the only one. I do not think so. There was no big chance till now to compare different Images than just half a dozend prepro samples of both at 1600/3200. The noise seemed very comparabel to me. Even the 50Ds 100% crop showed a slighty smaller part of the image. And not to forget: comparing an FF sensors pic to an 1.6 crop. Getting an nearly equal noise appereance, of course lets me guess, that D50s IQ is better in relation.
I am not religious. Maybe not realistic, too. But I do not mind. I am sure D5 MK IIs IQ is better than 50Ds. What would have been good enough for my pleasure and doing my bizz (even 30Ds was). But I will not upgrade to 50D but to 5D MK II. 21MPs and ISO 6400 will give me even more flexibility.
apdieb wrote:
sigh... Do you guys really have a problem getting shots in focus with the current 5D? I must be the luckiest sob on the planet. My 2 5D's perform great in all conditions not Servo. But I don't use my 5D's for work that requires servo. I guess perspective comes from what the user's primary applications might be.
BTW: The ISO 6400 image (albeit not full rez) on the Japan site looks quite good.
see that's the thing try it for basketball or soccer or football
or lfying birds
I also wish for better AF but in reality the 5D focused pretty well and better than my 40D in servo mode. I really didn't care about increasing the resolution but the increased ISO capabilities of this camera coupled with the possibility of having similar if not better IQ than the 1DsIII is really amazing. I don't think Canon is done with camera releases yet. Let's see how the high iso images from Nikon compare now...
I think the 5DII looks okay. If it can produce the same or better IQ as IDsIII for significantly less money then I guess it hits the mark for those where IQ is the primary criteria. It seems to tick most boxes for a modern DSLr, liveview, video, hires LCD etc.
Some specs are a result of price and market position, weather sealing, FPS etc.
As regards AF my feelings are this. Canon cannot do any better at this stage. The 50D uses a 9 pt system and although some speculation is whether the 5DII uses all cross type + 6 assist or as per the 5D it is just a variation on their current systems. The AF on the 1DIII series has proven to be flawed (my + a few others opinion) so I think they do not have a viable alternative at this stage.
The bottom line is that the price is not too bad and it delivers in some areas and not in others. Your decision to to ascertain if the camera meets your requirements, not cry that it doesn't.
For those that see it as a disappointment, let it go.
apdieb wrote:
sigh... Do you guys really have a problem getting shots in focus with the current 5D? I must be the luckiest sob on the planet. My 2 5D's perform great in all conditions not Servo. But I don't use my 5D's for work that requires servo. I guess perspective comes from what the user's primary applications might be.
BTW: The ISO 6400 image (albeit not full rez) on the Japan site looks quite good.
The 5D center AF point was very good WITH 12MP. However, the outer AF points really sucked. I use outer AF points probably as much as the center one. The new 5D2 probably has better AF performance on the outer AF points than the 5D since they seem to be all cross type. How much better? Probably as good as with the 40D. But we are dealing here with a 21MP cam. So accuracy should be a lot better because 21MP's are like a magnifying glass for lens imperfections and AF issues. But there was more to it... The 5D AF suffered from some kind of shutter delay. It's performance felt sluggish. After trying a 1D series AF for me personally there is no way back. But in the end it all comes down to what you are used to and personal shooting style
Dim.ka_ wrote: http://www.canon-ci.co.kr/ upper left corner press product then left column under Product word first link SLR - find 5D mark II then under 5d MII image third bookmark
It's not just about servo performance. Having accurate, precise AF sensors on the outer parts of the array is a big deal as far as composition and focus go. As it is now, I have to choose between accuracy and composition, especially in low light. In good light, the outer points on the current 5D's are fine, but in low light, they simply do not work. And when I say low light, I mean ISO 3200, f/1.2-1.4, 1/20th-1/80th kind of low light.
As I said, It looks like they left their people in the dark and they had to bobble together specs at the last minute. DP review and IR probaly got well edited releases from Canon PR and may be more accurate.
dpreview has changed the AF specs to the same as the 5D - only 1 x-type centre point.
I don't know of any wedding photographers who realistically need more than 12 megapixels, what they do need is decent AF, I think the migration to the D3/700 will continue to happen. The 21 megapixel chip is said (in studies and by pros) to be diffraction limited after f5.6. I can see no reason whatsoever to upgrade my 5D's for this camera, the use of that many megapixels in such a consumer body is extremely narrow over the present 5D. The price is a cheek too, in the UK £2300 when the D700 is over £600 less. For the very narrow band of people who need those extra megapixels and can actually actualise them it's possibly worthwhile, for everyone else, keep your 5D's or switch.
My 2 5D's perform great in all conditions not Servo. But I don't use my 5D's for work that requires servo. I guess perspective comes from what the user's primary applications might be.