David Baldwin wrote:
Can anyone help me with a bit of history please?
When the 5D came out I was shooting 100% film so didn't pay much attention. Can anyone tell me what happened to the price of 5D when it was new on release, after a few months did the price fall?
Here in the UK for example the cost of a Nikon D700 has already fallen by around 10% since it was first released. Is it realistic to wonder if the same thing might happen to the 5D2?
The price stays at list as long as demand exceeds supply. It then drops about $300 as it becomes a retail commodity and has a standard markup. The first wholesale price drop occurs to keep demand up and pick up the people who were waiting for a "bargain".
So, 3 to 6 months at list. Then dropping $300 or so for six months. Then slowly droping until discontinued.
The 5D was introduced in fall 2005. Mine showed up the last few days of Sept. But DSLR years are like dog years. 2005 was many years ag. The market has changed a lot. Nikon should come out with a high mp camera in the next 12 months. I'm sure they want it out sooner than later. It will likely be in the exact bodies of the D3 and the D700.
Stunnaz wrote:
Electronics are cheaper in the States.
Well if the French site is correct about the 5D MkII stats (and eos-numerique.com is supposed to be quite reliable), and $2600 is the price in the states, it is finally time to upgrade. If I start working on convincing the little woman now, I might have a shot at buying one when the new 5D comes out.
Any good arguments for upgrading to a better camera for a non-pro?
Wouldn't dream of it as I've never used either the D700 or the 5D2.
What I was getting at is that the Nikon might be looking expensive compared to the 5D2, at least if the Canon does come in at the suggested 2600€
Now Sony are in the race again the D700 looks pricey.
Sorry, that wasn't directed at you.
I just don't think some people here have looked at the Nikon af system. It uses a much smaller sensor than Canon. Nikon will probably do better, but at this point I find it rather silly on FF.
GregM5 wrote:
Well if the French site is correct about the 5D MkII stats (and eos-numerique.com is supposed to be quite reliable), and $2600 is the price in the states, it is finally time to upgrade. If I start working on convincing the little woman now, I might have a shot at buying one when the new 5D comes out.
Any good arguments for upgrading to a better camera for a non-pro?
Even if the french have a good source I doubt the retail price was decided by yesterday. The price would come from the top and be finalized after Sony released. After the 1DIII pricing mistake I doubt anyone in Canon is talking about retail pricing until they see it written in blood from the head of the camera division.
It's one part of the french specs that make me doubt its accuracy.
Yes, I was hoping someone would say that! If the 5d2 is announced this month then I think I'll pencil in Feb 2009 for actually buying one. My reasoning is:
1. As you say, supply and demand should be better balanced by then leading to a lower price
2. Any firmware issues should be sorted by then
3. Adobe Camera Raw should have been updated to process the 5D2 RAW files
4. I'd have had the chance to read months of FM contributors' experience with the camera
I analised the few given D50 pics with a friend whome I know as a great photographer and perfectionist, too. As far that is possible, I am convinced. Imo the IQ of this 1.6 crop sensor-Digic 4 combination is excellent! Its high Iso capability must not hide befor even D700/D3. At less space and higher resolution. If they put (what they shurly have done with the coming 5DII) that technologie to a FF sensor, they will have the best IQ existing. And they know that. I guess, that is why "the story continues". Gimmicks like Video, sealing or other features, 24MP or even HD Video can be added by anybody. But Canon will establish a new world record in IQ and bring it to semipro solutions that no existing pro system can compare to (even not their own one). They will blew away the pro market for another 1-3 years. But they have the technologie and will update their pro series asap. Others can not. They just offered what they have for now.
Yes, I was hoping someone would say that! If the 5d2 is announced this month then I think I'll pencil in Feb 2009 for actually buying one. My reasoning is:
Feb. might work if Canon has built up inventory on the 5DII. Canon likes to announce with almost immediate availability. It's understandable why the 50D has a delayed release. But hopefully they finalized the 5DII hardware early summer. I think Canon has know that Sony was coming out with a 24mp camera since 1980.
The only certainty in all this guessing is that Canon has to meet the pent-up demand for a 5D replacement. Remember that other than that we know nothing. Actually, that point is well demonstrated hourly.
So here's a thought. 24MP + "Destined evolution" + "Something deep within" (or thereabouts) = Canon has figured out how to effecitively incorporate a Foveon sensor. What do you all think? If they could do it it would mean larger photosites, less noise, greater DR, yah da yah da . . .
-- Mark
Edited by sifpandor on Sep 11, 2008 at 09:37 AM GMT
GregM5 wrote:
Well if the French site is correct about the 5D MkII stats (and eos-numerique.com is supposed to be quite reliable), and $2600 is the price in the states, it is finally time to upgrade. If I start working on convincing the little woman now, I might have a shot at buying one when the new 5D comes out.
Any good arguments for upgrading to a better camera for a non-pro?
Kids only grow up once. How often do you take that trip to wherever? Do some prints and what not for around the house. Easy sale... Me I am waiting a bit on the Mark II, my 40d is good for it's current use, but when I return to states I expect I will be shopping for a 5d2... and also already have sold the wife on it...
We have the same experience - "Me I am waiting a bit on the Mark II, my 40d is good for it's current use" and "... also already have sold the wife on it"
Selling the wife on it in my case meant booking a few days in Venice, but I figure the 5D2 is probably going to be worth it! I hope she doesn't read this post!
I think my 40D will be a great backup camera.
Edited by David Baldwin on Sep 11, 2008 at 03:39 PM GMT
Yes, I was hoping someone would say that! If the 5d2 is announced this month then I think I'll pencil in Feb 2009 for actually buying one. My reasoning is:
1. As you say, supply and demand should be better balanced by then leading to a lower price
2. Any firmware issues should be sorted by then
3. Adobe Camera Raw should have been updated to process the 5D2 RAW files
4. I'd have had the chance to read months of FM contributors' experience with the camera
Best wishes
that's very optimistic. ever hear of the 1d III? canon released their (likely) final firmware revision a year after the camera's release.
it'd be interesting to see what AF mechanism they're putting into the "5d II" and what its final performance will be relative to cameras like the 50d, 1d III, etc.
sifpandor wrote:
So here's a thought. 24pm + "Destined evolution" + "Something deep within" (or thereabouts) = Canon has figured out how to effecitively incorporate a Foveon sensor. What do you all think? If they could do it it would mean larger photosites, less noise, greater DR, yah da yah da . . .
-- Mark
The Japanese don't even understand Japanese subtly.
Not to mention that a Foeveon sensor is less advanced technology.
dcmiller wrote:
Nothing. The Canon will have better IQ, twice the file size, better LCD, and much higher resolution at high ISO. Nikon will have better weather sealing, more fps, and more cool doodads.
wait wait wait wait wait
your telling me a camera that nobody knows anything about is going to have better image quality? how did you manage to come up with that one?
BenV wrote:
wait wait wait wait wait
your telling me a camera that nobody knows anything about is going to have better image quality? how did you manage to come up with that one?
Exactly what happened to the 5D .... only more rapidly. The price will plummet but the value will increase dramatically i.e. it will cheap and good .... just like the 5D. Having said that, it would depend on Nikon's next move or next "evolutionary" body.
David Baldwin wrote:
What's all this going to do to the price of the Nikon D700?
Well, I hope the new canon will have 24 MP and cost more than 3000USD, it'll help to choose... (ie switch)
And for the ones still referring to "image quality", look at some recent posts with photos made with a D700 and developed with NX2... there are some pretty amazing shots.
* 24 Megapixel 24X36 CMOS sensor
* New battery, new grip
* DIGIC IV processor
* Magnesium alloy body
* Live view
* Video Mode
* Integrated Cleaning System
* Full compatibility with Canon EF and EX-series Speedlites
* Price : 2600€
* Official announcement : 17/09/2008
Yikes, 2600€ = $3646. How is everyone coming up with the $2600 guesstimated price in the states?
If the specs is accurate, I would be more than happy to pay $3,646 for this "3D". This certainly beats paying $8,000 for a 1Ds III or even $4,500 for the 1D III .... and I think it will be significantly better than the D700 in terms of resolution and IQ, and probably also in terms of high ISO noise or the lack of it! It will be one heck of a camera!
