ulrikft wrote:
Well it seems like he is saying "i prefer the results from my builtin flash over the ones from off-camera flash". I suspect that not only many amateur strobists, but also pro strobists will disagree a tiny bit with that?
I do. I get paid to take pictures, about 80% of which use on-camera flash. I don't care how many 'pro strobists' disagree, I have made abundantly clear my reasons for preferring pop-up flash. In case you didn't get it: pop-up flashes cast narrower shadows. Of course it's also true that pop-up flash is useful in an emergency, or as a convenience, or when you don't want to have to carry extra kit. But yes, I prefer the look of it to the look of a 580 EX, no matter how unprofessional you think that makes me.
dcmiller wrote:
Without question there are price/performance benefits to Nikon that make the brand a better choice for some shooters. That's how they hope to regain market share. We are seeing the beginning of Canon's response with the 50D. But unless Canon's market share is eroding rapidly on the high end, Canon's going to avoid competing on price as much as possible.
Canon has the 1dIII for you. That is their answer. You may not like that answer, but there it is. The 1DIII makes enlargements at least as good as the 5D.
As you probably know there are very high end wedding photogs who use the 5D....Show more →
My point was that I don't want to have to invest in a large 1 series, especially not a crop 1 series and if I can get the same functionality for much less and a lesser size from the competition then I might well do it. I know that there are plenty wedding photographers using the 5D, when they bought into it you couldn't get a better package. There used to be plenty great wedding photographers using the 10D when that was the best digital solution availible. The map is different now and there are choices which didn't exist before.
They do. They work a little bit like a bare-bulb flash in that they disperse light everywhere. Your flash head is supposed to point slightly upwards or at a 45º angle for it to work properly.
brainiac wrote:
The omni-bounce, or small white diffusers and reflectors do virtually nothing, because they don't spread the light source.
brainiac wrote:
I do. I get paid to take pictures, about 80% of which use on-camera flash. I don't care how many 'pro strobists' disagree, I have made abundantly clear my reasons for preferring pop-up flash. In case you didn't get it: pop-up flashes cast narrower shadows. Of course it's also true that pop-up flash is useful in an emergency, or as a convenience, or when you don't want to have to carry extra kit. But yes, I prefer the look of it to the look of a 580 EX, no matter how unprofessional you think that makes me.
Well, you are entiteled to like a flatter look, but coming across as _extremely_ arrogant when you have an opinion that is very much head on opposite to most professional lighting people.... is not a very redeeming feature. Especially when your only "argument" is "I get paid to take pictures". Something tells me that quite a lot of people get paid to take pictures, me included, that doesen't make my arguments (or yours) any more or less valid. Britney Spears gets paid to make music, that doesen't make her arguments about musical technicalities more or less valid, it is called "appeal to authority" and is a logical fallacy. I would recommend that you step down a bit and try to form your arguments in a less provocative and confrontative matter if you want to be heard ..
ulrikft wrote: Well, you are entiteled to like a flatter look, but coming across as _extremely_ arrogant when you have an opinion that is very much head on opposite to most professional lighting people.... is not a very redeeming feature. Especially when your only "argument" is "I get paid to take pictures". Something tells me that quite a lot of people get paid to take pictures, me included, that doesen't make my arguments (or yours) any more or less valid. Britney Spears gets paid to make music, that doesen't make her arguments about musical technicalities more or less valid, it is called "appeal to authority" and is a logical fallacy. I would recommend that you step down a bit and try to form your arguments in a less provocative and confrontative matter if you want to be heard .. ...Show more →
Bravo...!!!
...plus, let's take the lighting discussion to the Lighting forum....
tayo wrote:
What you really want is a built-in softbox which pops up like an airbag.
Or better still, a reflector umbrella! They could call it personal weather-sealing. Nikon only weather seals the camera, not the photographer too. Nobody would be saying Canon has forgotten how to innovate then.
ulrikft wrote:
>> I do. I get paid to take pictures, about 80% of which use on-camera flash. I don't care how many 'pro strobists' disagree, I have made abundantly clear my reasons for preferring pop-up flash. In case you didn't get it: pop-up flashes cast narrower shadows. Of course it's also true that pop-up flash is useful in an emergency, or as a convenience, or when you don't want to have to carry extra kit. But yes, I prefer the look of it to the look of a 580 EX, no matter how unprofessional you think that makes me.
Well, you are entiteled to like a flatter look, but coming across as _extremely_ arrogant when you have an opinion that is very much head on opposite to most professional lighting people.... is not a very redeeming feature. Especially when your only "argument" is "I get paid to take pictures". Something tells me that quite a lot of people get paid to take pictures, me included, that doesen't make my arguments (or yours) any more or less valid. Britney Spears gets paid to make music, that doesen't make her arguments about musical technicalities more or less valid, it is called "appeal to authority" and is a logical fallacy. I would recommend that you step down a bit and try to form your arguments in a less provocative and confrontative matter if you want to be heard .. ...Show more →
The reason why I mention that I get paid to take pictures is because by definition that makes me a professional. I'm not saying I'm better than anyone or that my opinion is more valid than anyone. I'm trying to make the point that people keep on saying that professional photographers opine this way or do this or that. I don't know what bible of professional photography that information comes from, but it's not true in my case. That's all I'm saying.
These pictures could not reliably have been illuminated with bounce, and an omni-bounce would not have altered the illumination, it would simply have wasted batteries. Sometimes pictures please clients because of what they are of, not because the photographer is some kind of visionary artistic lighting expert.
brainiac wrote:
Look, if that's what informs your camera choices, why not just buy a porn mag and save yourself a fortune?
Ouch. Foul! Since when are porn mags beautiful? I don't like any of them. I chose the 5D for the image quality, but I'm glad it's also one of the most beautiful cameras.
With your technical understanding, "why not just" build your own flash, and put it on the hot shoe?
What's wrong with suggesting a hot shoe solution that has all the properties you are looking for?
I'm getting pretty of topic but have a question about the "wireless master" function of Nikon and the ST-E2 of canon.
Is the signal coded in any way to prevent the flashes to go off when someone else fires a flash?
If so, it could be useful under indoor conditions, if not, I'll rather stick to skyports, pocket wizards, they are reliable and DO NOT require 400$ flashes to work.
brainiac:
Look, if that's what informs your camera choices, why not just buy a porn mag and save yourself a fortune?
I think that many could agree that EOS 1 cameras (starting with EOS 1V) have very nicely designed viewfinder section. They definitely look much better than any XXD or even 5D cameras.
You must have missed that - do you mind telling me what camera (with built-in flash) you use?
Don't want to get into this too much since this is a thread about 5D 2 rumors, but you are just plain wrong here. There is some value in having a popup flash in situations where you cant use a proper flash (like taking your kit on a backpacking trip, etc.), but to actually use a pop-up instead of a speedlight for weddings, parties, etc? What a joke. no offense, but I would never , ever, hire you again if you shot my wedding using a pop-up flash. I've done a lot of this kind of work, and a pop-up flash would be ridiculous. The shots look like garbage, there isn't enough power, and wide angle shots become simply useless. Most of the shots on the previous page look like what I would expect from any point and shoot that allows you to drag the shutter. Anyway, back to the rumor mill....
brainiac wrote:
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PetKal said:
mfurman wrote: To brainiac: I have been reading about your preferences for in body flash quite a bit recently and I started to wonder what camera you use. Neither 1D series nor 5D has a built in flash. Just curious.
Michael, now you are being so Canadian, so analytical
Unfortunately, I could not get an answer to my question so being "analytical" (or Canadian) did not help me
OCphotography wrote:
And you trust dpreview, right ?
No offense intended but is there some reason why we should automatically believe a post here over one there? I don't see that there's much difference credibility-wise.
Edited by globalkiwi on Sep 06, 2008 at 04:40 PM GMT
