I have been reading about your preferences for in body flash quite a bit recently and I started to wonder what camera you use. Neither 1D series nor 5D has a built in flash. Just curious.
Michael, now you are being so Canadian, so analytical
The on-board flash does not bother me much the same way the direct print button does not......I don't even think they are there.
However, a few times when I used such flash the results were not so good. I guess I will use it if no other half decent source of light is available......which happens very very seldom in my (amateur) case.
PetKal wrote:
The on-board flash does not bother me much the same way the direct print button does not......I don't even think they are there.
However, a few times when I used such flash the results were not so good. I guess I will use it if no other source of light is available......which happens very very seldom in my (amateur) case.
dcmiller wrote:
So the 50D goes to ISO128000. The 5DII needs to go to 256000 if it wants to be "in the ballpark" with the D3/D700. This would seem to be not too difficult, considering the tiny 50D camera pixels. Canon's looking at Nikons ISO performance, and Sony's high mp.
Canon would seem to be in pretty good shape with the 5DII. The numbers roughly indicate that with around 20mp Canon can get to ISO256000 (based on the 50D design)
It's likely that Canon is confident with the upcoming release. Nikon did get to ISO 256000 with large photosites and a lot of smoothing. Canon could go to ISO 512000 with pixel binning - maybe a 6.5 mp file size. Plenty big enough for pj and most event shooting. ...Show more →
Wow with ISO 256000 I think I'm selling all my 580EX IIs.
Yohan Pamudji wrote:
Let's remember who's talking here, y'all. Good ol' roger coen, remember him from earlier this year when he sold his 5D in anticipation of the replacement? When was that, February?
If they immediately drop to $800 I'll be first in line to horde them and line my bomb shelter with rows and rows of them so I'll be able to use them well past nuclear armageddon.
Just for you it was the end of April and $1600.
Sounds like you like using OLD technology. BOMB shelter?
Edited by roger coen on Sep 06, 2008 at 08:16 AM GMT
bobbytan wrote:
When you want to travel really light, even the smallest flash is too bulky and heavy and inconvenient.
I'm not sure a small hotshoe flash would need to be more bulky and heavy and inconvenient than a built-in one. Maybe it takes a quarter inch more height etc, but for me, this argument seems to work in the other direction, since then you are asking everyone to take this additional weight and bulk, however small it is.
There seems to be a lack of on-hotshoe options, maybe that is the problem. Why not build a mini hotshoe flash which has its bulb closer to the lens?
Maybe even another one for the situation which brainiac describes, which holds 3 mini-bulbs in a triangle around the lens, like a mini-ringflash, avoiding shadows altogether, having the two on the side as low as possible, so one can still put the camera on the table. Ok, I'm not so sure about that one...
moondigger wrote:
So you don't understand how fill flash works or understand why it's useful? Even if that were true, how does the mere existence of a feature you don't use hurt you? See Braniac's post above.
No, pop up flash adds complexity and cost, and decreases reliability for little or no benifit to many users. It also decreases the room available for the pentaprism, decreasing viewfinder magnification, coverage and brightness - this is a very big deal to me! Last but not least, it makes for an ugly camera.
Come on,people,a built in flash is what you wish the most?What about weather sealing and a really good AF sistem that is working at least from"-1EV" (an absolite piece of junk like E-3 has an AF sistem that is working from"-2EV")!!!
gabimaster wrote:
Come on,people,a built in flash is what you wish the most?
Basically if it has what the D700 has (working AF, 5 to 8 fps, weather sealing...
(my best-off ...
* Image Sensor Cleaning (vibration) *
* ISO 200 - 6400 (with boost up to ISO 25600 and down to ISO 100)
* 14-bit A/D conversion, 12 channel readout
* New Kevlar / carbon fibre composite shutter with 150,000 exposure durability *
* Multi-CAM3500FX Auto Focus sensor (51-point, 15 cross-type, more vertical coverage)
* Auto-focus tracking by color (using information from 1005-pixel AE sensor)
* Auto-focus calibration (fine-tuning), fixed body or up to 20 separate lens settings
* Scene Recognition System (uses AE sensor, AF sensor)
* 5 to 8 frames per second continuous with auto-focus tracking*
* 3.0" 922,000 pixel LCD monitor
* Live View with either phase detect (mirror up/down) or contrast detect Auto Focus
* Virtual horizon indicates if camera is level (like an aircraft cockpit display)
* HDMI HD video output
* 'Active D-Lighting' (adjusts metering as well as applying D-Lighting curve)
* Detailed 'Control Panel' type display on LCD monitor, changes color in darkness
* Magnesium alloy body with connections and buttons sealed against moisture ))
and cheaper or =, I'll be happy
[but honestly i don't think it'll have all of that]
Etadam,I'm sure you know that the built in flash does not have good results with any lens,it can be a "tool for emergency",when you really need a flash and the external one just consumed the batteries.
If you really believe that the 5D mkII will have a 100% VF then I'll concede you your point, fact is it won't anyway as we know....
It's all immaterial anyway, the reason why the Nikon on board unit can justify itself, and IMO very well, is that it's a wireless master, the day canon gives that kind of functionality to an on board instead of requiring you to buy a 580ex is the day the 5D mkII will be able to compete in any way with the D700 on anything but pure megapixels.
gabimaster wrote:
Etadam,I'm sure you know that the built in flash does not have good results with any lens,it can be a "tool for emergency",when you really need a flash and the external one just consumed the batteries.
I had not so bad results with my 10D simply by redirecting the light to the ceiling, or a piece of paper in front of the flash to soften the effect (+ some exposure adjustment). To be honest, I never used an external flash...
Anyway, according to the [macromedia!] flash from canon posted in this thread, it doesn't seem the new mk ii will have a built-in flash... so I'm just ready to answer the first post titled "official: 5d2" to reply "5D2 it is, D700 it'll be"
[depends on the price also, of course... but i doubt we'll have a cheap new 5d]
