well, I don't feel too bad. I just got the 40D, so I knew that alone would cause the 50D to come out immediately! I got the 40D for $869 less than a month ago. I suppose the 50D feature set is worth $400 more, but I'll get by with the 40D for a while. $400 will buy a nice pocket cam to go with it.
Couple years, they'll have developed the nano-optical nerve implant capture device with continuous recording of everything I see at 500mp, ISO up to night vision goggles. I'll get one of those.
>>>> If I'm a guy in a shop wanting to buy either the 50D or D300 and both are the same price, why would you advise me to take a 50D eventhough it isn't the pro body the D300 is?
>>>I use Canon at home, and Nikon stuff when I second shoot on weekends. Personally, I like everything about Nikon better, except for the file produced. Whether it is glass, or the sensor, or the in-camera processing, I couldn't tell you. And to me the output is what is important. And my 40D files look better than the files I get from a D300 to my eye. That is what I would tell the guy in the store. Look past the marketing and features that you will not use, and look at the results.
>>The IQ is outstanding.
>Are we basing that on the 3 or 4 sample images that Canon posted? Or has someone done a test with a production model? ...Show more →
It seems to me that the 450D competes pretty well with the D300 on IQ alone, at half the price. We can expect the 50D to be a grip and a half better than the 450D, and yes, the iso 1600 50D sample does look very good indeed.
IMO Nikon's current 'lead' is based around mere adequacy in the sensor coupled with good in-camera noise-reduction and image processing. Canon has been a bit behind at that game, partly because its sensors have been better, so sleights of hand in image processing haven't been necessary. As predicted, Canon is responding to Nikon's surge by playing it at its own game: noise reduction. So now we have a cheapish Canon camera with built-in iso 12800. Here's my prediction again: now that Canon is trying to match Nikon's in-camera noise trickery and image processing we are once more going to appreciate Canon's lead in sensors. Personally, I have never been convinced that Canon had lost its lead in sensors/IQ. My 1Ds3 seems to be more than a match for a D3 at iso 3200 to 12800, if it's allowed the same kind of noise reduction in post that the D3/700 does in-camera, and it certainly can capture a lot more detail. In fact, for detail capture, the D3/700 seem to be somewhere behind the ancient 5D, in all the comparisons I have seen.
So that would be my advice to the guy in the shop: if you are serious about photography, and in particular, image quality, to the extent that you are prepared to work hard at your photography, then the 50D will be capable of higher quality images, probably by a significant margin.
I switched from Nikon to Canon because Nikon simply didn't offer image quality to match that of the 5D, and IMO it still doesn't at lower isos. The 50D looks like it will match a 5D, and for that reason I would choose to use one over a D3/700 because I expect its all-round image quality (i.e. including detail) to be better.
Just sold my 40D. Whew, before the prices go through the floor. Was going to buy a D300.....but maybe now I will wait and see. Looks interesting to me.
Not impressed at all... In fact rather disappointed !
I need a real weatherproof body, as I'm shooting a lot of swimming in very humid atmosphere and water splashing all around. Pentax, Sony, Nikon can do it.
I want a more reliable AF. last weekend I shot my 40D under bright sun, focus was perfect. In poorly lit indoor swimming pool, when it's dark winter outside, I don't have the same ratio of keepers !
I want, and somewhat need, clean high ISO. That has to be seen, but 15 mpixels on APS-C sensor.... I doubt.
Don't tell me all that exists already in the 1D MkIII ! Because all that is in the D300 for a much better price tag.... and without all the color dots.....
More pixels than before for less money.... Purely marketing driven "innovation" !!!
I've not read on FM a lot of posts complaining about the pixel count of 40D/5D.
But a lot on AF, exposure, built quality, noise, color accuracy......
Awesome! Makes me that much more excited to see the next fullframe. I am glad the updated they screen and resolution of the sensor, that is pretty awesome! What a great looking camera! Now hopefully they'll have 16 bit sensors soon!
Based on the specs, I'm impressed. I was skeptical when the leak first hit, was pretty convinced it was a hoax due to the huge MP jump from the 40D. Am happy to see it addressed many of the things people were asking for. Hopefully the direct print button can be programmed to do more than print or live view.
It will be interesting to see if the new processing engine materially improves AF performance. Bottom line, though, is that if the 50D sensor produces images at 3200 and above that are equal to my 30D at 1600, then I'm first in line.
The specs are ok... its unfortunate that the body is not distinguished very much from the 40D. It makes it seem like a refresh sorta like a 2008.5 car gets a refresh half way thru its life.
I'm very curious to see the iso performance, without any actual shots and tests done on the various new ISO speeds, you can't judge this camera as a hit or a miss. If you are, then its just an uneducated and irresponsible opinion and certainly not good dialogue.
I will reserve judgement for the actual performance of this camera, which is what should really matter anyway. I am somewhat disappointed in the 9 pt auto focus, I wish it was more but it is what it is, and again AF tests will need to be done to see if Digic 4 does in fact improve its responsiveness.
I still look forward to hearing the specs of the 5d replacement(s) and make an educated decision as to what is an appropriate purchase at that time.
An area where the EOS 40D was really starting to lag has been addressed in the EOS 50D with a new 920,000 pixel (VGA x RGB) screen that from our initial comparisons seems to be even better than the one found on the Nikon D3 (by virtue of its lower reflectance and wider viewing angle).
Any predictions on availability? Wasn't the 40D announced with near immediate availability?
EDIT:: Found it:
Pricing and Availability
The EOS 50D is compatible with the full lineup of Canon EF lenses as well as the Company's ever-growing line of affordable EF-S lenses created specifically for Canon Digital SLRs with APS-C size image sensors. The Canon EOS 50D Digital SLR camera is scheduled for October delivery and will be sold in a body-only configuration at an estimated selling price of $1,399.00*. It will additionally be offered in a kit version with Canon's EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM zoom lens at an estimated selling price of $1,599.00*.
Grrr... I was looking to get a camera in early September for the upcoming action season... Much of the work will be over by then... Zoinks!
Edited by Kevin Sherman on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:10 AM GMT
Surprised to see so many negative remarks in this thread..?
This is how I see things.
Compared to D300 - EOS 50D has a better screen
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(Source: dpreview). "New Clear View 3.0" LCD
An area where the EOS 40D was really starting to lag has been addressed in the EOS 50D with a new 920,000 pixel (VGA x RGB) screen that from our initial comparisons seems to be even better than the one found on the Nikon D3 (by virtue of its lower reflectance and wider viewing angle)."
"One of the most striking differences is the provision of a greatly improved LCD. The size remains unchanged at 3.0" but the resolution rises from 230,000 dots to 920,000. This is effectively a change from 320 x 240 RGB pixels to 640 x 480 RGB pixels, putting it on a par with the latest high-end Nikons and Sony A700. It also features a three-layer anti-reflective coating that seems pretty impressive, compared to the other cameras in the office."
Same LCD with same great resolution. But Canon seems to do mean business with LCDs, and has (for the first time in a Canon?) put, not one, but 3 antireflective coatings over the LCD. DPreview mentions in their hands-on preview, that compared to D300/D3/Sony A700 this increases visibility in sunlight. 50D also have a better viewing angle.
Compared to 40D - EOS 50D has improved autofocus
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(Source: Pro birder from Sweden Brutus' blog). "fitted with a new DIGIC IV processor, which would further improve the auto performance" - faster? - more precise?
300 f2,8L + One-Shot AF -> "I repeated the process with different motives closely adjacent, and the sharpness was there lightning fast every time. Surprisingly quickly, I must add." "When I took up my EOS 1D Mark III and did the same thing was the result is less convincing, I have seen Mark III-s as fast, but EOS 50D was clearly faster. I repeated the manoeuvre a dozen times with both cameras.
In all cases, it is still my assessment that the EOS 50D has probably the world's fastest auto focus."
Brutus Östling is an awardwinning birder who has done several books.
Beni wrote:
Offered in kit with the ancient 28-135?
Yea, Canon must have a warehouse full of unsold 28-135's they need to get rid of. Wonder how come they aren't offering with the 18-200 which would be a much more logical complement ... although more $$$.
