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Jack OBrien
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p.1 #1 · PC-E NIKKOR 24mm ... UPDATE


I've just started using this lens, haven't done a client shoot with it yet, but I am having a bit of fun getting familiar with it. For those of you that don't know what lens I'm talking about, click here. FWIW, I'm using the lens on a DX body, and for all intents and purposes it works just fine on my D2x's. There are a couple of nits, but I'm not writing a review at this time.

Of course, 24mm is giving me a 36mm FoV, and for the buildings that I shoot for my client, this is going to be a good focal length. Just for grins, I thought I'd share a few pictures that show off some of the capabilities of this lens. Since I haven't had time to work with it like I want to, I'll only talk about the 'Shift' function for now. I haven't had time to shoot with the 'Tilt' function yet.

Here's a "final" shot using the shift function. The lens is shifted up so the top of the water tower is visible....
http://www.jackobrienphoto.com/images/share/08052008/08052008_063.jpg


This is the same shot, with the lens shifted all the way down....
http://www.jackobrienphoto.com/images/share/08052008/08052008_064.jpg


and this is the same shot, with the lens shifted all the way up..
http://www.jackobrienphoto.com/images/share/08052008/08052008_065.jpg


Just for grins, I made a composite of the two shots that shows the full 'shift' of the lens. The 'marching ants' show the frame 'unshifted'.
http://www.jackobrienphoto.com/images/share/08052008/ShowShiftRange.jpg


Another example shot using the 24mm PC
http://www.jackobrienphoto.com/images/share/08052008/08052008_042.jpg


Here's a corner crop of the above shot
http://www.jackobrienphoto.com/images/share/08052008/08052008_042Crop.jpg


This shot is a slight exaggeration, but this is what you get when you tilt your 'up' or the back is not parallel with the building...
http://www.jackobrienphoto.com/images/share/08052008/08052008_045.jpg


Of course, shots like this can be corrected for perspective in Photoshop, but I just got tired of doing that, and I didn't want to lose pixels. It's really nice being able to get the shot in-camera and not having to do any corrections in post.

I am quite pleased with the shift range of this lens, 24mm is extremely useful on the DX format. Did I mention that it's sharp? Well, it is an amazingly sharp lens, and exhibits wonderful color as well. If you'd like, I'll update this post with pics from shooting with the lens 'tilted'. FWIW, this lens appears to be very well made (and it ought to, considering how expensive it is). The focus is smooth and damped well, and I like the positive detents on the aperture ring.

There are some 'gotchas' using this lens on a D2 body, and on a camera besides the D3/D/300, but I can live with the gotchas. It's certainly a manual focus (and manual exposure on my D2 bodies) lens, but for the type of shooting it was designed to do, that's not a big deal for me.

Later....

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Ok, here's a bit of an update

I've put together a few more images that hopefully demonstrate the shift and tilt capability of the 24mmPC Nikkor. I'm copying the ideas/demonstration that are in the manual for this lens, kind of loosely

This first image is of my Roland piano. The camera is in Landscape orientation and I have rotated the lens 90* so the Tilt function is in landscape. Camera is tilted down, lens is tilted down (See next photo). Hopefully you can see the almost infinite DoF. If I wasn't half blind I could have gotten it sharp from end to end
http://www.jackobrienphoto.com/images/share/08052008/08052008_079.jpg


Here you can see the camera, and the lens has been rotated 90* (the Nikon logo is normally at the top, which is now at the side).
http://www.jackobrienphoto.com/images/share/08052008/08052008_086.jpg


Now I've changed to Portrait orientation, and I'm tilting the crap out of the lens. As you can see, I've focused on the name Roland, which is razor sharp, and the rest of the keyboard goes soft to completely out of focus
http://www.jackobrienphoto.com/images/share/08052008/08052008_080.jpg


In this shot, I've tilted the lens more parallel to the keyboard, so nearly the entire subject is in focus. Considering the front of the lens is about 1 foot away, I think this amount of DoF is incredible...
http://www.jackobrienphoto.com/images/share/08052008/08052008_081.jpg



How about some fake buildings?? Ok, use your imagination, this could also be a product shot, something that you don't want to be distorted. In this shot, the camera is positioned above the boxes, and tilted down. The lens is not shifted or tilted, and you can see how the front and rear box are distorted...
http://www.jackobrienphoto.com/images/share/08052008/08052008_082.jpg


Now I've shifted the lens and put a little tilt on it (to the left). This eliminates the distortion, and the entire image is in focus. Forgive me if I've missed it a little, but where I was working was not ideal, including sweat in my eyes
http://www.jackobrienphoto.com/images/share/08052008/08052008_083.jpg


Here's a view of the camera with the lens fully tilted 'left'. It's hard to get an idea, but 11* is really quite a bit of shift, and 8* tilt is a bunch of tilt
http://www.jackobrienphoto.com/images/share/08052008/08052008_091.jpg


This is a view with the lens fully shifted down. Hopefully you can see this.
http://www.jackobrienphoto.com/images/share/08052008/08052008_092.jpg


Hopefully this sheds a bit more light on this wonderful lens. I hope to get out and shoot some images for my client this week.



Edited by Jack OBrien on Aug 10, 2008 at 02:55 PM GMT

Edited on Aug 10, 2008 at 02:55 PM



Aug 08, 2008 at 11:06 PM
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p.1 #2 · PC-E NIKKOR 24mm ... UPDATE


I had a Canon 24 TSE L for a while. Terrible lens anywhere except the center or the frame, but darn fun to use. I am eager to see some more shots from the Nikkor. Of course, I picked up the 24TSE for under $900 used and mint - I'm sure the Nikkor won't be that cheap until I'm so old that my eyesight is gone and I can't even remember that I like to take photos...

Liveview is made for PC lenses. I love my (old, useless) 85PC with Liveview.

-Tom

Edited on Aug 08, 2008 at 11:41 PM



Aug 08, 2008 at 11:40 PM
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p.1 #3 · PC-E NIKKOR 24mm ... UPDATE


It's a great lens but it's strange that Nikon would release lenses that directly compete with an established Canon line for almost twice the price.


Aug 08, 2008 at 11:59 PM
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p.1 #4 · PC-E NIKKOR 24mm ... UPDATE


Nice samples, Jack. Thanks for the post and the review.

Having cut my teeth on 4x5 and 8x10 view cameras in the 60s, I was delighted to pick up the 85mm T/S several years ago while cursing Nikon for leaving us dangling for so long at the wide end.

I haven't got my 24 yet but will certainly look forward to it.

Since I will use it primarily for landscape I will consider sending it to Nikon to have both axes put in parallel (too frightened to try the conversion on an expensive lens myself.)



Aug 09, 2008 at 12:25 AM
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p.1 #5 · PC-E NIKKOR 24mm ... UPDATE


I loved the tank like 85mm PC on my D80, and recently got a 24mm PC to try out on a holiday. Lovely lens except that the mechanics of it was obviously built for the newer bodies in mind, the knobs obstructing rotation of the lens for example.

Lacking the obvious looking manual stop down pin of the 85mm PC, I have made some accidental shots thinking it was at f8 but shot at f3.5 instead ( and the exif writes as f8 but actually it was not taken at f8 ) Wonder you met such a probelm as well Jack.

Ryan



Aug 09, 2008 at 01:50 AM
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p.1 #6 · PC-E NIKKOR 24mm ... UPDATE


Wow, nice demonstation Jack. One of the things I love about your post. This gives me a much better understanding of the magnitude of the shift. Thanks for fueling my NAS.

Edited on Aug 09, 2008 at 07:26 AM



Aug 09, 2008 at 07:25 AM
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p.1 #7 · PC-E NIKKOR 24mm ... UPDATE


nice review Jack, this is a very tempting lens


Aug 09, 2008 at 08:05 PM
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p.1 #8 · PC-E NIKKOR 24mm ... UPDATE


great post, maybe I can get this lens one day

Joe



Aug 09, 2008 at 08:10 PM
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p.1 #9 · PC-E NIKKOR 24mm ... UPDATE


wooow.. that's very sharp puppy in your basket... If you need someone to take care of it.. and to take it outside..


Aug 10, 2008 at 08:30 AM
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p.1 #10 · PC-E NIKKOR 24mm ... UPDATE


Yep - real nice. I think Panoramas, FX and Jack coming on like a freight train


Aug 10, 2008 at 10:06 AM
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p.1 #11 · PC-E NIKKOR 24mm ... UPDATE


Jack, Great demonstration of the abilities of this lens. I have a D3 but dont have a landscape lens for that. I am thinking of buying a 14-24/2.8 or 24PC. My Tokina 12-24 on D200 is a great lens but I think D3 with the proper lens would work better. Any thoughts on these two lenses or which one to buy first? I can only buy one at this time.
Harsha

Edited on Aug 10, 2008 at 11:26 AM



Aug 10, 2008 at 10:18 AM
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p.1 #12 · PC-E NIKKOR 24mm ... UPDATE


the quality seems exceptional... thanks for posting your experience here.
Until now, you only have used the shift possibility. Any use for the tilt function ? did you give it a try ?

Guy



Aug 10, 2008 at 12:54 PM
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p.1 #13 · PC-E NIKKOR 24mm ... UPDATE


Hi Jack

this looks like an interesting lens. Apart from architectural work it has a role to play in controlling DOF for a certain type of shot just like a view cam I guess.





Aug 10, 2008 at 01:13 PM
Jack OBrien
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p.1 #14 · PC-E NIKKOR 24mm ... UPDATE


George61d wrote:
Hi Jack

this looks like an interesting lens. Apart from architectural work it has a role to play in controlling DOF for a certain type of shot just like a view cam I guess.



Hi George

You're exactly right. I have some landscape shots that I want to do with this lens, not to mention paying work shooting buildings for my client



Aug 10, 2008 at 02:58 PM
Jack OBrien
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p.1 #15 · PC-E NIKKOR 24mm ... UPDATE


gugs wrote:
the quality seems exceptional... thanks for posting your experience here.
Until now, you only have used the shift possibility. Any use for the tilt function ? did you give it a try ?

Guy


Hey Guy, check my update, I have some images where I've also tilted the lens. Yes indeedy, there is a use for the tilt function, my imagination is running wild for using it to do landscapes (think foreground flowers )



Aug 10, 2008 at 02:59 PM
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p.1 #16 · PC-E NIKKOR 24mm ... UPDATE


harshaj1 wrote:
Jack, Great demonstration of the abilities of this lens. I have a D3 but dont have a landscape lens for that. I am thinking of buying a 14-24/2.8 or 24PC. My Tokina 12-24 on D200 is a great lens but I think D3 with the proper lens would work better. Any thoughts on these two lenses or which one to buy first? I can only buy one at this time.
Harsha


Well, without a doubt the 14-28 f/2.8 Nikkor is hands down the most versatile. However, I think the WoW factor using the 24mmPC on a D3 would be tremendous, especially in capable hands.



Aug 10, 2008 at 03:01 PM
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p.1 #17 · PC-E NIKKOR 24mm ... UPDATE


Nice... looks significantly sharper than my Canon 24 TS.


Aug 10, 2008 at 04:33 PM
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p.1 #18 · PC-E NIKKOR 24mm ... UPDATE


lexybeast wrote:
Nice... looks significantly sharper than my Canon 24 TS.


+1



Aug 10, 2008 at 04:47 PM
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p.1 #19 · PC-E NIKKOR 24mm ... UPDATE


Jack, that is very helpful!

I've been pondering at least renting this thing, but wanted to get a better idea of what it can do. Nicely done -- sweat in the eyes and all! Thanks.



Aug 10, 2008 at 05:51 PM





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