cogitech wrote:
So lump us in with PC users, then.
My reason for using just windows is because of the known problems with it --- vulnerabilities to viruses, spyware, adware, etc. Are you still sure you want to be lumped into that?
Ben Horne wrote:
My reason for using just windows is because of the known problems with it --- vulnerabilities to viruses, spyware, adware, etc. Are you still sure you want to be lumped into that?
Well, if we are running Linux or FreeBSD, we certainly aren't likely to be running a Mac, are we?
I say "not likely", because I do have 1 Mac that I run Linux on. (Yes, I dislike OS X that much)
BTW, there are many more Linux users than you think there are, or so it seems.
Wanna be different, run sparc based architecture Otherwise, you are PC or Mac based people. And to be honest, could say people with the new new macs just have a case now with the intel inside macs and are just PC's that run Apple OS's, but that would be mean.
Besides, including linux/unix by itself would piss off the solaris people and linux people. Tack on free bsd as a *nix collective and we'd have a full blown geek fight as all say they shouldn't be associated with the other. Poll would be like half a page at some point to make everyone happy
Run sparc based solaris and PC windows and ubuntu at home. See and use macs at work when I work with customers who have one. That be a poll option from hell to write up lol. No vote FTW...
ajkessler wrote:
Ben, you didn't include a 'Both' option, which I would have selected.
The above is more true than 99.9% of the mac community/fashionistas realize. Apple's success will breed problems that it's never had to face before. It will be interesting to see how it responds.
As to the 'apple is more elegant/easier/better/simpler to use' argument... maybe it's because I actually know how to use wintel machines, but they're not really any more elegant/easier/better/simpler to use. If Microsoft included the drivers MILLIONS of peripherals it supports (as Apple does with the thousands that it supports), I'm sure this complaint would pretty much disappear. Of course that would be a lot of wasted HD space...and you could always figure out how to install the drivers you need :/...Show more →
Mac myopia....it's not heritable, but unfortunately, it can be caught....
You can't argue with iSheep. You just waste your time and it annoys the sheep..
I've been using both since 1984. Fortunately Windows XP can now run native on Intel Mac so I won't have to purchase PC anymore. I'm a good computer trouble-shooter thanks mainly to PC/Windows.
A.Y. wrote:
Mac OS X Leopard is fully UNIX-compliant, BTW.
Always has been for the most part, Only thing it Apple ever did was give Unix core the case insensitivity that most normal users like. You have to be a geek or have some programming background to appreciate why thisFile.txt and this THISFILE.txt being 2 different files kind of makes sense and is useful with unix case sensitivity. Normal users....ehh don't like it. Not so bad once you get used to it though.
Edited by hidden_Markov on Jul 31, 2008 at 03:40 PM GMT
JustinThyme wrote:
I run PCs but have been curious about MAC.
For now its too proprietary keeping prices up, If the prices come down I may try one.
Really? The Mac Pro I just bought was £100 cheaper than an equivalent Dell running Windows Vista x64.
Also, I now have OS X equivalents to all the little utilities I had on Windows. And worst case there is always Parallels or VMWare Fusion if you want to run Windows though I chose to move over completely to Mac.
I own both. I just purchased my first Mac Pro with raid drive, 4 TB drives and 16gig ram but I must say I still prefer my PC. Maybe I need time. One thing I find the mighty mouse a bit sluggish.
Alistair Watson wrote:
Really? The Mac Pro I just bought was £100 cheaper than an equivalent Dell running Windows Vista x64.
Also, I now have OS X equivalents to all the little utilities I had on Windows. And worst case there is always Parallels or VMWare Fusion if you want to run Windows though I chose to move over completely to Mac.
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Parallels can have issues sometimes. We have fun with our macs in the graphic arts section with some parallels issues. Better than wine no doubt, but not by much for some apps. And VMware...in my opinion if you are using that beyond server consolidation (new thing is to run one mega multiprocessor box with virtual server clients to reduce server hardware) or testing (I did ubuntu in virtual to get a feel for it over days, also to set up a few clients to get some prac ap for MCSE certification), you really need to cut the umbilical cord lol. Cool you switched completely, I know some mac users who use the actual Mac OS very little. Start her up and go to VMware and spend most time in there. Should have stayed PC imo if they still use windows that much on their Mac.
That and unless Jobs says you can run the hardware, lots of luck doing parts upgrades. Love piece by piece upgrades to keep the life cycle going for as long as possible on my systems. Have a workstation that gets small upgrades to get a really long useful life cycle, Has been around for 8 years now. USB 2.0 came out, PCI card that. Sata came out, it got a new sata card and a new SATA drive. Something hard to do with macs. Next workstation will be DIY (its a dual PIII setup, can't do much to upgrade that and its becoming a bottleneck now), cheaper and can keep the hardware upgrade path I love so much.
I've always used PC's, it's what I grew up with and what we use everyday at work.
The best news on this subject is that Adobe Lr 2.0 is optimised for 64 bit and Ps CS4 will be too so now I can install Vista Ultimate, get myself a whole heap of RAM and hopefully, get some decent speeds out of my PC.
hidden_Markov wrote:
[...unless Jobs says you can run the hardware, lots of luck doing parts upgrades. Love piece by piece upgrades to keep the life cycle going for as long as possible on my systems. Have a workstation that gets small upgrades to get a really long useful life cycle, Has been around for 8 years now. USB 2.0 came out, PCI card that. Sata came out, it got a new sata card and a new SATA drive. Something hard to do with macs. Next workstation will be DIY (its a dual PIII setup, can't do much to upgrade that and its becoming a bottleneck now), cheaper and can keep the hardware upgrade path I love so much. ...Show more →
You obviously don't understand Mac platform. I have two "Hackintosh" machines that have been upgraded without requiring "lots of luck".
An 8 year old Apple desktop machine was upgraded from single processor to dual processors, third party (non-Apple certified off-the-shelf pc components) memory, hard drive, video card, DVD writer, wireless, upgraded cooling, third party keyboard and mouse.
For purely nostalgic reasons I still keep around an almost 11 year old Apple laptop that has upgraded processor (G3 to G4), third party memory, wireless upgrade, larger/faster hard drive, additional hard drive storage that replaces the removable DVD writer (upgraded from original CD reader) via third party hard drive housing.
They both run latest version of OS X without problems - only caveat is that the laptop does not utilize the fancy visual effects of the latest OS due to limited onboard video capability. But hey, it's an 11 year old laptop.
So don't go around spewing "facts" without the experience or knowledge to back up your claims.
hidden_Markov wrote:
And to be honest, could say people with the new new macs just have a case now with the intel inside macs and are just PC's that run Apple OS's, but that would be mean.
Time = money so as long as Mac OS X gives me less headaches than Windows, running either on my Intel Macs or my PCs, I'll be more than happy to pay more for Apple products at the beginning and end up saving money and frustrations in the long run.
hidden_Markov wrote:
Only thing it Apple ever did was give Unix core the case insensitivity that most normal users like. You have to be a geek or have some programming background to appreciate why thisFile.txt and this THISFILE.txt being 2 different files kind of makes sense and is useful with unix case sensitivity. Normal users....ehh don't like it. Not so bad once you get used to it though.
I'd used a Silicon Graphics Onyx Extreme Unix workstation for years so I know Apple did far more with OS X and Unix than what you'd claimed.
hidden_Markov wrote:
That and unless Jobs says you can run the hardware, lots of luck doing parts upgrades. Love piece by piece upgrades to keep the life cycle going for as long as possible on my systems. Have a workstation that gets small upgrades to get a really long useful life cycle, Has been around for 8 years now. USB 2.0 came out, PCI card that. Sata came out, it got a new sata card and a new SATA drive. Something hard to do with macs. Next workstation will be DIY (its a dual PIII setup, can't do much to upgrade that and its becoming a bottleneck now), cheaper and can keep the hardware upgrade path I love so much....Show more →
I've put video cards, sATA cards, FireWire cards, CPU upgrades into pretty much all of my Mac desktops without problems.
Just like AJ Nadershahi said - "You obviously don't understand Mac platform. So don't go around spewing "facts" without the experience or knowledge to back up your claims."
true to a certain extent. falls well short on drivers and other programs other then developmental types. for the average home user far from the promised land
windows and linux here also. just upgraded main rig to vista x64 and love it so far. im also running linux for my file storage server.
my gf has an iMac, though its nice and all but i still prefer my PC. typically when i upgrade a certain part in my main PC, ill use that part and upgrade my server PC like processor, memory, etc .. plus it doesnt cost much either
Otherwise, you are PC or Mac based people. And to be honest, could say people with the new new macs just have a case now with the intel inside macs and are just PC's that run Apple OS's, but that would be mean. 
