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p.1 #1 · veterinarian advice needed re deer tumor


Bucky has been visiting me since being born 4 years ago. This year he has a large growth (tumor?) protruding from his chest between his front legs. Just wondering if there is anyone who can tell me what this really is? The growth is about the size of 2 grapefruits and does not seem to bother him. Here he is yesterday. http://www.pbase.com/wfr2/image/100505679.jpg

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Jul 21, 2008 at 10:12 AM
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p.1 #2 · veterinarian advice needed re deer tumor


As a vet, I cannot make a diagnosis based on a photograph, but I can give you a differential: (possibilities), eg, inflammation, abces, tumor, edema.
Likely to be an inflammatory process, could abcedate later.
But, then again, only a punction could reveal the whole truth.

RT.



Jul 21, 2008 at 10:21 AM
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p.1 #3 · veterinarian advice needed re deer tumor


this may be nothing to worry about as it is common in wildlife and dogs.
It "may" be what is called a lipoma....or fat deposit

but I am not a vet, so just guessing



Jul 21, 2008 at 10:22 AM
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p.1 #4 · veterinarian advice needed re deer tumor


Thanks guys. I hope it is a fat deposit. He has been a great deer to have around and I was hoping to see him grow into a big antlered buck. His sister has been traumatized by losing her first fawn to coyotes so she is no longer very trusting even with me but he is.


Jul 21, 2008 at 10:28 AM
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p.1 #5 · veterinarian advice needed re deer tumor


He's a gorgeous boy.

Not sure if any vets frequent this forum, so I will give this a try, based on my experience as a long term volunteer at the local Humane Society.

1. First, there's no way of really knowing unless you get a vet to come out and dart him with a sedative, and then do field surgury to remove it. You or the vet may need to get permission from, or at least notify, the local Game and Fish department before doing this.

2. If it is a localized cancer tumor (and many dog and cat owners are going to recognize the nature of this issue), he will go along with little or no pain as the tumor grows, until it impairs his mobility and ability to feed, then he will start to decline relatively quickly. Regardless of impairment, when (not if) the cancer reaches the point that it begins to spread through his system he will begin to decline rapidly and the kindest thing to do at that point (when you see visible decline in health and physical condition) is to have a vet come out with the local game and fish department's permission, and dart him and euthanize him in the field. In my experience, they don't feel significant pain from localized tumors, but are in true pain and quite miserable when the cancer spreads throughout their body.

3. It could be one of at least two other things I have seen on occassion. The lesser possibility is that it is an encapsulation of a foreign object (stick, etc.) that he ran into, that got stuck under the skin. I personally feel this is unlikely, as those things generally abcess, rupture, and the foreign object is ejected......or the abcess becomes a systemic infection which eventually kills him. He's really looking pretty good for it to be this type of problem. The second is that it could be a fatty tissue growth or non-cancerous tumor that is simply getting large.

4. I can't imagine any parasitic issue that would cause such a growth.

Anyway, #1 above is really the only reasonable course of action, other than just letting nature take its course.

Best of luck with the handsome fella.



Jul 21, 2008 at 10:33 AM
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p.1 #6 · veterinarian advice needed re deer tumor


Aha........good to know that we DO have a vet - RT V Genugten - on the forum.


Jul 21, 2008 at 10:34 AM
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p.1 #7 · veterinarian advice needed re deer tumor


I will keep my fingers crossed. Here is a better photo of my handsome boy :http://www.pbase.com/image/100513187/original.jpg


Jul 21, 2008 at 01:17 PM
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p.1 #8 · veterinarian advice needed re deer tumor


Genes Home wrote:
He's a gorgeous boy.

Not sure if any vets frequent this forum, so I will give this a try, based on my experience as a long term volunteer at the local Humane Society.

1. First, there's no way of really knowing unless you get a vet to come out and dart him with a sedative, and then do field surgury to remove it. You or the vet may need to get permission from, or at least notify, the local Game and Fish department before doing this.

2. If it is a localized cancer tumor (and many dog and cat owners are going
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Excellent analysis!

I totally agree with you on your 3rd point, but I might want to add a few things:
a. Trauma, eg. Blunt trauma, this can easily result in a haematoma. These things tend to organize eventually and then resolve. If they get infected, well, that's another story

About the benign fatty tissue tumors, or Lipoma's, although they are extremely common in dogs, Im not sure of this phenomenon in deer.

RT. v. Genugten, DVM



Edited by RT v Genugten on Jul 22, 2008 at 06:49 AM GMT

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Jul 21, 2008 at 03:02 PM
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p.1 #9 · veterinarian advice needed re deer tumor


If Bucky only knew he was being anayzed by a vet from the Netherlands!! The internet continues to amaze me! For those interested, I will continue to post photos of Bucky as his antlers develope as long as he cooperates. I have 4 bucks which are regulars but 2 have already gone totally nocturnal on me---the 2 biggest ones. Once the rut starts they may start showing up again. No fawns this year. The coyotes have ravaged the fawns. Found a leg in the backyard and that is it. We have set up a motion detector camera in my yard's hedge row and in a place about a mile away. We photographed a giant buck at the neighbor's place. 40 years ago we had no deer or coyotes.


Jul 21, 2008 at 08:43 PM
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p.1 #10 · veterinarian advice needed re deer tumor


I don't have any advice, but I hope he's all right! <3

Jenna



Jul 21, 2008 at 08:44 PM





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