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Paul Yi
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p.2 #1 · Medium format to EOS


So, basically the MF lens with aperture ring and focus ring can be used with 5D.
Is this right?



Jul 10, 2008 at 03:41 PM
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p.2 #2 · Medium format to EOS


I've tried quite a few Hasselblad, Pentacon 6 and Mamiya M645 lenses on 20D, 5D and 1DII bodies (mostly on the 5D). The Mamiya M645 lenses that I have are all quite fantastic: 35/3.5N, 45/2.8N, 55/2.8N, 85/1.9, 85/2.8N, 150/3.5N and 210/4N. I use them on a Mirex tilt-shift adapter. I'll soon take delivery of a Mamiya M645 C 500/5.6 (LD), and I expect it'll be much better than the two alternative 35mm format lenses I've used on my EOS bodies; SMC Pentax 500/4.5 (too much CA), and Nikkor*ED 400/3.5 (just not sharp).

Edited on Jul 10, 2008 at 04:13 PM



Jul 10, 2008 at 04:08 PM
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p.2 #3 · Medium format to EOS


If the MF lens has an aperture ring and you can find an adapter for it - you can use it. They can also, as mentioned, be sued with T&S adapters because they deliver a larger-than-35mm image circle - same as the EF 90/2.8 TS., etc.


Jul 10, 2008 at 04:16 PM
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p.2 #4 · Medium format to EOS


Paul Yi wrote:
I like manual lenses.
Any outstanding prime lenses in the 12-200mm range?


Yes, the Mamiya 645 80mm f2.8 N.



Jul 10, 2008 at 04:35 PM
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p.2 #5 · Medium format to EOS


The Rollei 600x lenses can't


Jul 10, 2008 at 04:41 PM
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p.2 #6 · Medium format to EOS


Try the Mamiya 80 1.9, Mamiya 80 f/4 N macro, and the Mamiya 120 f/4 macro.

It's false that all Medium format lenses are less sharp than 35mm lenses.



Jul 10, 2008 at 04:45 PM
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p.2 #7 · Medium format to EOS


Sadly

foto-z wrote:
The Rollei 600x lenses can't




Jul 10, 2008 at 05:41 PM
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p.2 #8 · Medium format to EOS


So far, Mamiya 80/1.9, 80/4 Macro, 120/4 Macro, Hassey 200/2.8 Apo, and Hassey 110FE have been mentioned.
What would be THE lens to get for portraits (shoulder and up)?



Jul 10, 2008 at 06:40 PM
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Any of them would work. Choose whatever focal length you want.

The focal length remains the same. An 80mm lens remains an 80mm lens on any format. It just acts differently on bigger and smaller formats, which is why on 4x5, it's a wide angle lens, on 645, 80mm is a standard focal length, and in 35mm, it's a medium telephoto.



Jul 10, 2008 at 06:48 PM
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Great thread!


Jul 10, 2008 at 07:02 PM
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Conner999 wrote:
Forgot to mention:

1. ANY MF lens can be used on any of a Nikon, Canon or Leica body. Because the registration distances with MF bodies is so long versus 35mm cameras, the rear elements of MF lenses sit well in front of your camera's sensor/mirror. Actually MF lenses are probably the only non-EF lenses that will universally clear ANY 5D ;>


I think you meant "any medium format SLR lens" - i.e. no rangefinder lenses



Jul 10, 2008 at 07:33 PM
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p.2 #12 · Medium format to EOS


Love this thread but what about adapters - can you guys point me in a direction?

thanks

steve



Jul 10, 2008 at 09:21 PM
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Conner999 wrote:
Forgot to mention:

1. ANY MF lens can be used on any of a Nikon, Canon or Leica body. Because the registration distances with MF bodies is so long versus 35mm cameras, the rear elements of MF lenses sit well in front of your camera's sensor/mirror. Actually MF lenses are probably the only non-EF lenses that will universally clear ANY 5D ;>


That is true for all MF lenses of SLR systems that can focus by themselfs and have a manual aperture setting, ruling out the RB/RZ system Mamiya 6/7 and the newer AF systems where, like in modern 35mm systems everything is controlled electronicaly.
For adapters, you can use plain adapters, that can be had relatively cheaply, or shift, tilt or tilt/shift adapters. Due to the higher weight, I would not recomend using the t/s adapters on the longer lenses, but for instance a Mirex T/S adapter will work great with a Mamiya 55mm.



Jul 11, 2008 at 02:29 AM
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I use the Mirex Tilt-Shift Mamiya M645 to EOS adapter: http://mirex-adapter.de/tilt_shift_adapter.htm.

I use shift (+/-15mm) for both perspective control and for panoramas, where you can get the full width (or height) of the M645 image circle on a single subject. I use tilt (max. 10 deg) for plane of focus control on normal and longer lenses. The Mirex is a well-made, precision device that should last for many years in field conditions. The longest and heaviest lens I currently use with the Mirex is the M645 C 210mm f/4 N, but it also worked fine with a Hasselblad CF 50/4 and HC to M645 adapter, which is shorter but heavier.

The only four negatives that I've noticed so far with the Mirex are summarized below.

1. It's not easily possible to mount the adapter itself or most M645 lenses on a tripod head, so with the camera body mounted on the tripod head, there is some parallax error for panoramic shifts. This is not a concern for remote subjects. You can easily avoid this shift parallax for sideways (i.e. horizontal) movement by putting the camera on a transverse slider or focus rail, and compensate for Mirex shift by sliding the camera the same distance in the opposite direction, so the lens regains the original position and the camera is offset. The same procedure is possible for vertical panos, but not so simple as you have to move the camera up or down, not side to side. I guess it would be easy with a geared centre column, but I don’t have one.

2. Using the Mirex adapter for tilt is much like using an LF camera with only “base tilt” of the front standard, because you’re using a tilt axis at the base of the lens, not through its middle, as you can do with LF standard centre-axis rotation. If you could mount the adapter or M645 lens on the tripod head, then you would have “true” back tilt, and not have to compensate for image drift as you change tilt angle. Anyway, I generally start by composing the image with an estimated amount of tilt, focus on the closer parts of the subject and then tilt the lens to get focus on the far parts of the subject; this moves the image away from your original subject framing. Then, I rotate the tripod head to regain the original composition, after which the lens has the original attitude and the camera back expresses the tilt - it’s a bit of a pain, but a simple technique. It usually takes me a few iterations to get it right. I have “tilt tables” that tell me the amount of tilt theoretically needed, to get me started. I generally use a Manfrotto 410 geared head for tilt shooting, as it gives me more precise control over head movements.

3. The front of the on-body flash overhang on 20D, 30D and probably all similar bodies sticks out past the plane of shift for the Mirex adapter. So, in order to get the full 15mm upwards shift, you have to grind off the front of the camera’s “forehead”. I put my 20D to the grinding wheel, and it works fine; there is enough material on the forehead to let you remove about 1.5mm and not go right through it. OTOH, it looks like I think it’s safer to have a “stealth” camera, because it removes the Canon logo (and then you paint it black, of course), but that’s not why I did it. IMO, it’s well worth the effort, because the full 15mm shift allows you to move “up” one complete sensor height, giving remarkable shift capabilities on a 1.6 CF camera. The Mirex adapter shift does not interfere with 5D or 1D-series bodies.

4. You can’t rotate the tilt axis with respect to the shift axis. If the adapter is oriented for nose up or down tilt, then it shifts from side to side.

These negative aspects of the Mirex are minor compared to the advantages it gives me.

I can use the Mirex with generic adapters from eBay for Hasselblad C to M645, and Pentacon 6 to M645, but I sold all of my lenses with these mounts. I'm pretty sure you can also get Pentax 67 to M645 adapters, but I can't find any examples on eBay today. I wanted to try some Pentax 645 lenses but haven't been able to find a Pentax 645 to M645 adapter. I tried to make a Pentax 645 to M645 adapter by grafting a Pentax 645 body mount onto a M645 extension ring, but the theoretical difference in register (7.6mm in the “right” direction) is pretty much all used up as the Pentax 645 lens mount assembly extends about 5mm into the body. It’s possible to modify a Pentax 645 lens to have a M645 mount. I’m pretty sure Mark Hubsand (http://www.16-9.net/) did this with at least one Pentax 645 wide angle lens, probably the -FA 35mm. For me, it’s not worth the effort because I’m very happy with the Mamiya lenses.

When I started out trying MF lenses on EOS, I used a Hartblei Pentacon 6 to EOS Tilt adapter from eBay member sellbuyown1959, and a generic M645 to EOS Shift adapter from eBay member grizzly33bear. They both worked fine and allowed me to do a lot of interesting experimenting. OTOH, the build quality and precision of the Mirex adapter is significantly better than these and any other adapters that I’ve used.

I recently (yesterday) ordered a Fotodiox M645 to EOS adapter for use with a Mamiya M645 C 500mm f/5.6 (LD) lens, which does come with a tripod mount. I don’t plan to use tilt or shift with this lens, so I figure I’ll save the Mirex from the heavy duty “lifting” of supporting a 1DII for hours at a time.

Cheers, Jim


Edited on Jul 11, 2008 at 06:59 AM



Jul 11, 2008 at 06:56 AM
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The fotodiox PRO units are well made and work well.


Again - as another other poster reminded above and as was mentioned earlier , anyone interested do some research before buying , not all great MF lenses are workable as stand alone units.

Conner999 wrote:
Paul - prices form some manufacturers are steep. Zeiss makes lenses for the V-line of Hasselblads (H line lenses are made by Fujinon) and since many of the V lenses are still sold new, the prices reflect the two names on the lens and their current production.

Also note - be careful when looking at lenses. Many, mostly AF, MF lenses have NO aperture ring on the lens. Others like Mamiya RZ lenses have NO ability to focus the lens (RZ is a bellows-style camera). Shame, because many like the RZ units and Contax 645 lenses are reportedly just stellar.



Edited on Jul 11, 2008 at 07:34 AM



Jul 11, 2008 at 07:33 AM
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I have a crazy idea to make Bronica SQ >EOS adapter. I have both systems and I know that Bronica lenses are electronically operated. It needs a special chip but it will be a lot of place for it. It's a posibility to get MF(both mentions - Medium Format and Manual Focus) lens with full aperture function.


Jul 11, 2008 at 10:32 AM
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p.2 #17 · Medium format to EOS


Interesting......


Jul 11, 2008 at 11:26 AM
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Ordered a 150mm F3.5N last night - sample images I've seen got me interested, so curious to see how it delivers on the 1DS2.


Jul 11, 2008 at 11:27 AM
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What would be the most popular choice for portrait lens in Hasselblad and Mamiya, respectively in 80-150mm range?

I really like to try one of them.



Jul 11, 2008 at 11:45 AM
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That depends on what FL you like : the 80mm 1.9 and 2.8 from Mamiya are reported to be nice lenses, as is the longer 150mm. In between, there is the Hasselblad 110 FE 2.0, that is a remarkable lens, benefiting from the fact that it was built for a focal plane shutter camera, hence the speed. But for trying out, I think that the Mamiya lenses are the ones to take, since they don't cost as much as the Hassy. My experience with the 55mm N from Mamiya is that it delivers nice, "clean" images, even if lacks the 3D effect I like so much on the Contax/Zeiss lineup.


Jul 11, 2008 at 03:41 PM
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