beelz wrote:
Iam defiantly for having EXIF data sdata shown but when I edit my raws in photoshop and save for web it doesnt save the data is there a way for saving the EXIF data after editing the raw and saving it? If so then I am in.
Photoshop's "save for web" strips exif, you can use "save as... .jpg" instead and it will keep the exif intact.
Pehaps this should be added to the faq about which software programs leave exif and which strip it, if we decide to require exif?
P.S. I like Marks idea, but I think without a goal of at least bragging rights the board might slow down too much, and become a proverbial graveyard.
James wrote,
The purpose is: (This is just my opinion)
1-To get photographers out actively creating new images.
2-To sharpen photographers skills through competition.
3-To deepen the photographers understanding of light, their camera, software, composition, and to put thought into the images they create.
4-To fan the flames of passion concerning photography by participating in the assignments.
Totally agree with this, just couldnt put it quite so eloquently.
Jason i think you are right the board may die without the competitive element. i was playing Devils advocate here as i believe too many people are losing sight of what the board is meant to do.
Forget the competition, take your photos and enjoy life, you only get one chance at it.
Take care
Mark
mark nicoll wrote:
I dont care if a picture is from the wrong time frame if its better than mine it should get the vote.
If you have 100,000 photos on your hard drive it's easy to go through and find one that matches the assignment. The point is to go out and shoot something specifically for the assignment...hopefully that actually has something to do with the assignment.
Personally, I have tons of photos that I could post for any given assignment and watch drop to the bottom without comment but the assignment gets me out of my barcolounger and makes me go out and take new fresh photos that don't belong on the same message board as these people here who actually know what they're doing.
watkinssr wrote:
If you have 100,000 photos on your hard drive it's easy to go through and find one that matches the assignment. The point is to go out and shoot something specifically for the assignment...hopefully that actually has something to do with the assignment.
Personally, I have tons of photos that I could post for any given assignment and watch drop to the bottom without comment but the assignment gets me out of my barcolounger and makes me go out and take new fresh photos that don't belong on the same message board as these people here who actually know what they're doing.
The very first time i entered the WA was the 'Deep' week, I had this shot of my dog close up of the his head only in a hard deep sleep. I had it uploaded to my flickr account and ready to link then i read the rule once more. 'MUST BE TAKEN WITHIN IN WEEK OF THE ASSIGNMENT!!!!!!!' That's when i stopped and looked for a picture i just took instead. The point like most all others on here agree with is that it is intended to get your LAZY ARSE off the couch or out of the house and out shooting.
As for the 'exif' I did not know that when you 'save for web' in PS it strips the exif. That good to know, I never save for web i always 'Save as jpeg' then upload to the web. Always have always will.
As for staying within the title of the topic, especially 'Still Life'. A Camera captures still life no matter what picture it takes hence you captured the object 'Still' for the split second of Life in time.
This is what 'Still Life' means.
1. Representation of inanimate objects, such as flowers or fruit, in painting or photography.
2. A painting, picture, or photograph of inanimate objects.
So should a image not striking within the guidelines of the WA topic be allowed into the finals? Even though everything in the image is to a T and could not be any better?
Also not to bring one more thing on board in this topic but the time frame of the WA should be enforced heavily as i read in the WA ethic thread it is definitely unclear. Those that enter a photo out of the time frame should not be allowed to go to the finals. IMO.
I love the purpose behind the WA and MA and Thank Fred Miranda for having come up with this idea and make=ing changes to further enhance them and make it fair for all.
The EXIF thing is difficult, and may, in fact be outside one's control. I voted to let those entries in, unless there is some way to be sure it has altered.
As far as everybody voting to determine the finalists, why not rotate the assignment among the moderators? Mos of the time, I barely have enough time to decide on eggs or cereal for breakfast; a second round of voting may simply be too much. (Besides, I never had a problem with you being a committee of one). Only one captain on a ship.
Great changes Fred, and thank you for your continued attention to MA/WA. It must be a real labor of love for you. I haven't posted for a while though I do monitor FM regularly, I just haven't had time to do much shooting due to a career change. I hope to begin participating again soon.
- it should be easy to navigate and see all images. It could get quite tedious in those instances when there have been a large number of submissions
Gotsy
If the site was navigable via xml, there is a really cool Firefox add-on that would allow photo browsing. It's called picLens (http://www.piclens.com). Currently, it does not seem to work on the site but with the new coding, it might.
BTW, thanks, Fred, for all of the support you have given to digital photography over the years. I personally appreciate it very much and I am sure that there are hundreds of other photographers out that second that thought.
I have been very slow to get into the WA/MA and would very much like too.
I think all images need to have the exif data attached.
What happens if i take a photo on the 7/10/08 and submit it for the WA that finishes on the 7/9/08 , seeing i'm basically a day ahead of the USA, am i still in the running?
it looks like the "no exif, no entry" vote will win, but will there be any special exceptions for shots done on film? you can't exactly put exif data on a negative....
Josh Evilsizor wrote:
it looks like the "no exif, no entry" vote will win, but will there be any special exceptions for shots done on film? you can't exactly put exif data on a negative....
When I shoot film (not very often, any more), I have it processed without prints and for about two bucks, the processor will make a CD disk. Although it doesn't have standard EXIF data, it does have a date/time stamp.
redal wrote:
I have been very slow to get into the WA/MA and would very much like too.
I think all images need to have the exif data attached.
What happens if i take a photo on the 7/10/08 and submit it for the WA that finishes on the 7/9/08 , seeing i'm basically a day ahead of the USA, am i still in the running?
Cheers
Allan
You have an even greater advantage than me Allan. Actually, I've seen late posted images submitted from Canada and the U.S. that have been accepted in the past. I think this is because the assignment often actually closes a day or two after the stated closing date. I guess Fred is a busy man and can't always stick to the scheduled timing.
redal wrote:
I have been very slow to get into the WA/MA and would very much like too.
I think all images need to have the exif data attached.
What happens if i take a photo on the 7/10/08 and submit it for the WA that finishes on the 7/9/08 , seeing i'm basically a day ahead of the USA, am i still in the running?
Cheers
Allan
The new system will show the deadline including the timezone.
It seems to be very easy to edit the EXIF data, but hopefully everyone understands the spirit of the Weekly Assignment.
As somebody said, anyone can rummage through a catalog of images and find one to fit a particular assignment. That kills the challenge of producing a new fresh image and your ability to go out and get it.
I wouldn't think it would be all that rewarding to someone to win with an old shot or one that wasn't entered in that week, and hopefully nobody is so competitive that they would be willing to resort to cheating.
That said, in this world of digital photography, I was just looking at National Geographics website last week and was looking at pictures of domestic cats. The local Humane society was having a "pet photo" contest and the image that won was one of the images from the National Geographic website...that's plaigerism and it is dishonest and cheating. It is legally and morally wrong.
But, it happens. I hope it isn't happening on the assignments.
sevan pulurian wrote:
The very first time i entered the WA was the 'Deep' week, I had this shot of my dog close up of the his head only in a hard deep sleep. I had it uploaded to my flickr account and ready to link then i read the rule once more. 'MUST BE TAKEN WITHIN IN WEEK OF THE ASSIGNMENT!!!!!!!' That's when i stopped and looked for a picture i just took instead. The point like most all others on here agree with is that it is intended to get your LAZY ARSE off the couch or out of the house and out shooting. ...Show more →
Respectfully I see what you have said ("That's when i stopped and looked for a picture i just took instead.") as no different to looking through a library of shots. The point is to take a unique photo inspired by the WA. That is not a personal dig. It's more to the point that if you don't specifically take a photo under those circumstances the you are not abiding by the rules. And this I believe is the underlying issue of the EXIF debate.
So here is a fresh proposal and would suit people like myself better who struggle to find the time to view the topic and come up with an idea and execute it within the week. What is the assignment period was still only a week but you had an advanced warning of a week for the next WA topic.
Also I like the idea of the finalist. Another option would be to make a fresh committee each week to select the finalist. As a reward being a WA winner 1st, 2nd and 3rd would be bestowed with deciding who the next weeks finalists will be. Of course in the order of impartiality the winners would be intelligible to become a finalist in that week. They could however enter and be a 'featured artist' for the period. In this way Moderators such as Fred could also enter.
Dannett wrote:
Respectfully I see what you have said ("That's when i stopped and looked for a picture i just took instead.") as no different to looking through a library of shots. The point is to take a unique photo inspired by the WA. That is not a personal dig. It's more to the point that if you don't specifically take a photo under those circumstances the you are not abiding by the rules. And this I believe is the underlying issue of the EXIF debate.
So here is a fresh proposal and would suit people like myself better who struggle to find the time to view the topic and come up with an idea and execute it within the week. What is the assignment period was still only a week but you had an advanced warning of a week for the next WA topic.
Also I like the idea of the finalist. Another option would be to make a fresh committee each week to select the finalist. As a reward being a WA winner 1st, 2nd and 3rd would be bestowed with deciding who the next weeks finalists will be. Of course in the order of impartiality the winners would be intelligible to become a finalist in that week. They could however enter and be a 'featured artist' for the period. In this way Moderators such as Fred could also enter.
Understand that the WA was already assigned Before i took the picture. Yea the idea of the WA is to get you out and be creative. But if the image falls in the time line of the WA it is still legit. If it meets the WA title and, image size and date period what else is needed. But since it was my first assignment it was the only on that i did like that the other 2 times i entered the WA i specifically went out or created an idea to meet the WA title. So as long as the images are within the rules of the WA/MA then there is no problem, no matter if you took the image with out knowing the title of the WA/MA but in the time frame required.
Sevan, I had the same question recently, and this was the response from y2keg:
Not a stupid question at all. But I would say that you didn't shoot the assignment. IMHO I think that part of the spirit of the Weekly Assignment is that you improve at shooting something predetermined and not just fishing through your weeks' shots for something that "fits the theme."
That's my 2¢. I'd love to hear what others think.
I think he has a relly valid point; the idea is to deliberately shoot the assignment. Using a "shot in the locker," while it may very well be a valid entry, by date, is a kind of skirting of the rules, a grey area, if you wish. It's better to stay on solid ground, and re-shoot, if you have time; if not, well, there's next week...
I think lefty and y2keg may have put it a little more eloquently than I did. Honestly in doing so you are only cheating yourself. In part this is why I don't enter in the WA. I could probably find entries each week, but what would be the point?
So I'd like to hear your thoughts about whether posting an assignment topic a week prior to the entry period would assist in being able to come up with a unique idea that you can accomplish with in the actual assignment period (still only a week long) and avoid looking at the photos that you have shot and saying 'yeah that fits the theme.'
