mark nicoll wrote:
Hi Yakim,
Unless i am mistaken every picture that is taken digitally and remains digital (ie within the computer and isnt scanned etc.) will have the data embedded in the file that was recorded as the shutter is pressed. The date, time, shutter speed, f no, iso and a few more esoteric bits of info are recorded and stay with the picture through the digital domain. There are some programs that are able to read this info therefore anyone not taking a picture within the allotted time Fred would know about.
Take care
Mark
I know all that. What I meant is that EXIF is not presented in any picture in this site. Fred, do you actually open each picture in an appropriate software to check the date?
I'm pretty sure he does, but when i right click properties on entries my exif viewer shows none so how do others know the image was taken in the right time frame? Thats what i meant, i know exif is in the file its self.
I will vote for the best pic... I have been lucky enough to be in the finals a couple of times, but I have never voted for myself. There has always been someone better. Inspiring... isn't it?
sevan pulurian wrote:
I'm pretty sure he does, but when i right click properties on entries my exif viewer shows none so how do others know the image was taken in the right time frame? Thats what i meant, i know exif is in the file its self.
I see the exif on just about every picture when I right click.
Yakim, You can go to Firefox's addons and get their EXIF viewer. Then your right click will
contain the option to view the meta data. Or, you can go get Opanda's stand alone+plugin exif data viewer. There are others as well....
JDClements, If you untick the "basic information only" box - you will see far more info. The lenses used - sometimes even the distance from subject...metering mode....exposure mode...focus mode, even GPS coordinates etc. It really is a great addition to photography. Use to be the photographer was to remember exposure and write it down...now it is automatic.
First pic is what I see when I right click. Second pic is what I see when I click on 'Properties'.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Yakim,
If I right-click on the image and choose "save as" and then save it on my hard disk as swan.jpg; then, right-click on that it shows today's date (6/28/2008 at 12:34pm) as the creation of the file - which seems correct since i just created it. But, if I open windows file explorer and look at the details of the swan.jpg file it says the picture was taken on 6/27/2008 at 7:51am
If you have Photoshop, you can open up the picture and click on file-file info (or alt-shift-ctrl-i) and then click on the advanced option and then click on the Plus sign next to EXIF properties.
As a long standing contributor to the WA..............HA! I know many of you are saying to yourselves......"who is this guy??""
I haven't contributed much in the past 2 months due to various circumstances, but prior to that have done the WA for almost 2 years straight.
What is interesting about the EXIF files....and I do check them once in a while using the firefox plugin previously mentioned....is that there is also software that will strip away the EXIF. I've seen many an entry in the WA which had no EXIF attached and were obviously taken on some exotic trip and used unfairly for the WA. OF COURSE we all have thousands of images on our computers that we can browse thru until we find the perfect one for this week's theme....but that's not the idea. Which brings us back to the question of ethics.
It's a rule that the image needs to be taken AFTER the assignment comes out. I think that some folks just cant seem to help themselves and will post any old perfect picture by stripping away the EXIF (at least they don't seem to last too long in the WA)
so....i propose (to you, Fred) that one of the rules should be that EVERY image accepted needs to have an exif file with it. Period.
As far as having the ability to vote for your own image.....it just feels rather un....democratic to not be able to vote however you please (as long as you can only vote once, of course)
WELL....thanks. That's my 2 cents, and I'm going to try and contribute regularly again.
Peter Blackwood
James Markus wrote:
Yakim, You can go to Firefox's addons and get their EXIF viewer.
I will. Thanks.
This is more logical than to 'save as' on the desktop and then open it in another program. It's much simpler and Fred must be using this method.
PeterBlackwood wrote:
so....i propose (to you, Fred) that one of the rules should be that EVERY image accepted needs to have an exif file with it. Period.
I agree with Peter, but its just as easy to change the date as strip the exif. If someone does this the only person they are cheating is themselves. The whole point of the WA and MA is too challenge yourself in that period of time.
With regards to voting I think if you qualify for the final you should not be allowed to vote.
Fred Miranda wrote:
That is something that could be implemented. We could eliminate the ability for members to vote for their own photo. Is that something we want?
The easiest way to find out is to start a poll on that issue.
Adam Woodyatt wrote:
I agree with Peter, but its just as easy to change the date as strip the exif. If someone does this the only person they are cheating is themselves. The whole point of the WA and MA is too challenge yourself in that period of time.
With regards to voting I think if you qualify for the final you should not be allowed to vote.
I agree. If you qualify to the finals then not voting period. It is almost like Quality checking. You can't quality check your own work can you? No, cause in your eyes it looks right but in the eyes of others it can be wrong. Is there anyway of showing you voted for what picture? Like on some polls I have seen on other forums they show who voted for what what, Im pretty sure Fred can see who voted on what.
Mmm, in principle agree that if you make the final either you shouldn’t vote or you should only vote for someone else, but it needs to be a rule and everybody and all need to stick to it—any other way would be unfair. My preference would be for only being able to vote for a finalist other than yourself, that way you still have a voice if you choose to use it. One for the rule update that Fred was speaking about I think.
so....i propose (to you, Fred) that one of the rules should be that EVERY image accepted needs to have an exif file with it. Period.
That should not be difficult. The new WA/MA code will check for EXIF data. Only images shot during the assignment will be able to be posted (either by link or image upload)
I could go a step further and prevent images with 'stripped' EXIF data from being posted. That would solve the EXIF enforcement issue we always had. Let me know what you think.
Best,
Fred
Fred Miranda wrote:
That should not be difficult. The new WA/MA code will check for EXIF data. Only images shot during the assignment will be able to be posted (either by link or image upload)
I could go a step further and prevent images with 'stripped' EXIF data from being posted. That would solve the EXIF enforcement issue we always had. Let me know what you think.
Best,
Fred
Good ideas Fred, automation on this would be very nice, I think.
Yakim Peled wrote:
I'm for as well it but as I said above, the proper way to find out is via a poll.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
We could add a poll. Another point regarding EXIF. As I wrote above, we could block 'Exif-less' images from being posted. However it does not entirely fix our enforcement challenge as EXIF data can be edited/added as well.
Fred Miranda wrote:
We could add a poll. Another point regarding EXIF. As I wrote above, we could block 'Exif-less' images from being posted. However it does not entirely fix our enforcement challenge as EXIF data can be edited/added as well.
1. It's better than none.
2. As you said (in the poll), it is possible that there are ways to detect this.
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