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p.1 #1 · Off camera flash w/o assistant


This is not really a wedding question, but I am actually doing an outdoor shoot and like to try some off camera flash. What would one go about doing this without an assistant? Tripods are usually not quite high enough and light stands don't do well on uneven ground... I thought about putting a flash on a monopod and the camera on tripod w/ remote triggers, but that would really slow things down.


Apr 11, 2008 at 11:41 PM
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p.1 #2 · Off camera flash w/o assistant


Have you visited strobist.com yet?


Apr 12, 2008 at 02:24 AM
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p.1 #3 · Off camera flash w/o assistant


Can't recall ever shooting in a situation that I couldn't get a lightstand to work. They have a fairly small footprint.

Edited by PhotosByRDD on Apr 12, 2008 at 07:08 PM GMT (Reason: typo)

Edited on Apr 12, 2008 at 07:08 PM



Apr 12, 2008 at 05:55 AM
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p.1 #4 · Off camera flash w/o assistant


PhotosByRDD wrote:
Can't recall ever shooting in a situation that I could get a lightstand to work. They have a fairly small footprint.


I don't think you'll find many people here who agree with you... These were all shot in the past couple weeks (ignore that stupid copyright watermark). Not wedding images, but my most recent outdoor shots.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3290/2349797563_e54a081c83.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2089/2390295825_4a031fc44e.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2350/2350630772_052d73b976.jpg


Look through the images here... everybody shoots with lightstands outside. All you need is a decent quality stand and maybe a sandbag at the bottom if your flash is particularly heavy. Heck, I've got 10-12 stands. I'd be happy to sell you 1 or 2.

Edited on Apr 12, 2008 at 07:10 AM



Apr 12, 2008 at 07:09 AM
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p.1 #5 · Off camera flash w/o assistant


I can't recall a time when I couldn't get a lightstand to NOT work. I don't know many assistants that can hold a flash 10ft in the air.

Here is an example of how to creatively use your stand, where it's not even flat on the ground. I needed the light overhead, but couldn't really do it due to the stairs.

http://www.spencerboerup.com/blog/images/posts/3.22.08/light-setup-1.jpg



Apr 12, 2008 at 11:57 AM
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p.1 #6 · Off camera flash w/o assistant


I went to Mt. Baldy in Indiana last year for an outdoor session and I brought a portable lightstand. The SB800 was on the stand with the diffuser and I corded it to the camera with the Nikon SC29 to make sure it would trigger the flash. That is where that long cord shines; tethered to the hotshoe with the flash on a lightstand.


Apr 12, 2008 at 02:21 PM
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p.1 #7 · Off camera flash w/o assistant


my only problems have ever been with wind wanting to launch softboxes, umbrellas, etc. It's windy where I shoot.


Apr 12, 2008 at 02:27 PM
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p.1 #8 · Off camera flash w/o assistant


Jonathan H wrote:
I don't think you'll find many people here who agree with you... These were all shot in the past couple weeks (ignore that stupid copyright watermark). Not wedding images, but my most recent outdoor shots.

Look through the images here... everybody shoots with lightstands outside. All you need is a decent quality stand and maybe a sandbag at the bottom if your flash is particularly heavy. Heck, I've got 10-12 stands. I'd be happy to sell you 1 or 2.


If you'd read for context you might have caught my typo. Should read "can't recall ever shooting in a situation that I could'NT get a lightstand to work. The give away is, "they have a fairly small footprint." i.e. it doesn't take much level ground for them to work.

Honestly I was scratching my head wondering why you quoted me then argued for exactly what I was saying!!!

Oh the things that happen when you try to pound out a response in a hurry!!!


Edited by PhotosByRDD on Apr 13, 2008 at 10:36 AM GMT

Edited on Apr 13, 2008 at 10:36 AM



Apr 12, 2008 at 07:07 PM
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p.1 #9 · Off camera flash w/o assistant


Thanks for the great info & setup pics! I'll see if I can find some quality light stands & some sand bags as suggested.

sboerup, that pic convinced me that I should be able to get it to work thx!



Apr 12, 2008 at 11:23 PM
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p.1 #10 · Off camera flash w/o assistant


For weddings I often use a Canon slave flash on a light stand.


Apr 13, 2008 at 10:19 AM
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p.1 #11 · Off camera flash w/o assistant


Actually, a tripod does work well. I bought a flexible "goose neck" type accessory at the local photo store that incorporates a 1/4-20 female on one end and a light stand stud one the other. I remove the head from my light stand (Gitzo) and the goose neck screws right on to the existing 1/4-20 stud in place of the head. The legs will extend to a hieght of about 5' by themselves and the gooseneck is about 3', so you can gain plenty of hieght for most applications. The gooseneck is strong enough to support a small softbox and strobe, but if you try to attach a rig like sboerup's post above, it may sag under the weight. Try it!
Steve



Apr 13, 2008 at 10:41 AM
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p.1 #12 · Off camera flash w/o assistant


I'd love to see a pic of that Steve.

Tad



Apr 13, 2008 at 01:32 PM
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p.1 #13 · Off camera flash w/o assistant


Steve Tinetti wrote:
Actually, a tripod does work well. I bought a flexible "goose neck" type accessory at the local photo store that incorporates a 1/4-20 female on one end and a light stand stud one the other. I remove the head from my light stand (Gitzo) and the goose neck screws right on to the existing 1/4-20 stud in place of the head. The legs will extend to a hieght of about 5' by themselves and the gooseneck is about 3', so you can gain plenty of hieght for most applications. The gooseneck is strong enough to support a small softbox
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hmm... interesting.



Apr 13, 2008 at 01:55 PM
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p.1 #14 · Off camera flash w/o assistant


You only have two options:

1 Assistant (handheld or monopod): gain speed for shooting.
2 Tripod: maybe cheaper, but waste time for setup.



Apr 14, 2008 at 06:03 AM
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p.1 #15 · Off camera flash w/o assistant


sboerup wrote:

I can't recall a time when I couldn't get a lightstand to NOT work. I don't know many assistants that can hold a flash 10ft in the air.

Here is an example of how to creatively use your stand, where it's not even flat on the ground. I needed the light overhead, but couldn't really do it due to the stairs.

http://www.spencerboerup.com/blog/images/posts/3.22.08/light-setup-1.jpg






you are glutton for punishment doing that.........



Apr 14, 2008 at 09:51 AM
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p.1 #16 · Off camera flash w/o assistant


Here are a few pics of the rig:
http://www.stevetinettiphoto.com/gooseneck-1.jpg
http://www.stevetinettiphoto.com/gooseneck-2.jpg
http://www.stevetinettiphoto.com/gooseneck-3.jpg
http://www.stevetinettiphoto.com/gooseneck-4.jpg
http://www.stevetinettiphoto.com/gooseneck-5.jpg

Edited on Apr 14, 2008 at 10:29 AM



Apr 14, 2008 at 10:21 AM
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p.1 #17 · Off camera flash w/o assistant


Here's a shot taken in a forest of scrub oak using the rig shown above. No lightstand would have made it out here!
http://www.stevetinettiphoto.com/gooseneck-6.jpg

Edited on Apr 14, 2008 at 10:37 AM



Apr 14, 2008 at 10:36 AM
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p.1 #18 · Off camera flash w/o assistant


great tip Steve - thanking you


Apr 14, 2008 at 10:48 AM
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p.1 #19 · Off camera flash w/o assistant


I put the Qflash on a monopod and hold it in my left hand. It works great. I have used a light stand, but I didn't like it as well.

The monopod I have has three small legs that come out on their own so I can let it stand there for a minute or two on its own when i need too. I keep everything wireless with PW.

Works great.

The other advantage of my system is that I can shoot without a big softbox and therefore less worry of wind blowing things over.



Apr 14, 2008 at 02:54 PM
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p.1 #20 · Off camera flash w/o assistant


Steve Tinetti wrote:
Here's a shot taken in a forest of scrub oak using the rig shown above. No lightstand would have made it out here!


Fantastic - never thought of that one.



Apr 14, 2008 at 02:58 PM
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