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Leon Noel
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p.4 #1 · *Samples* Zuiko MC 24-40mm f4


You've got yourself some rarity there Paul

I know this is just nit picking but there's no such thing as total absense of CA, aka no lens is perfect. However the zuiko 24-40 is a very strong performer in that arena. Normally when we *peep* for CA it's done at 200% and above to magnify the effect, as below I pumped your crop to 200% to show the red/cyan CA (which is easily corrected by most software).

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q69/Blknoel/img_1707.jpg

On your Zuiko, it seems this only happens at extreme corners and/or high contrast transitions, which is really well controlled and respectable. Also the lack of purple fringing resembles Contax Zeiss behavior. I know of the Zuiko 35-80 as well, did my fair share of research on it, but pulled out on obtaining 1 in the end due to its relatively weak flare performance .

All in all, glad you got a nice rare zuiko wide zoom, I hope it's even nicer after being professionally serviced.

Edited on Apr 01, 2008 at 12:01 PM



Apr 01, 2008 at 11:57 AM
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p.4 #2 · *Samples* Zuiko MC 24-40mm f4


Leon,

Thanks for your thoughts.

Indeed I did see this in my shots but I thought it was so little that it is "effectively" absent, if you know what I mean. I've seen much worse, even from primes.

200% is unrelenting on any camera system. I typically evaluate the "real" performance of a lens at 50% on my monitor, knowing that both sharpness and aberrations that I see at 50% will show up basically the same way in prints.

I'm confident that I could do very large prints of these images (not that I would) with no software CA correction and the aberration would not be visible. They are "effectively" CA free, IMO, but I should not have declared the lens "CA free".

In the end, it betters my Zuiko 21/3.5 with respect to CA. Would it be fair to expect more from a zoom?



Edited on Apr 01, 2008 at 12:31 PM



Apr 01, 2008 at 12:25 PM
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p.4 #3 · *Samples* Zuiko MC 24-40mm f4


cogitech: I agree on the pixelpeeping part: on my screen (23" Apple Wide) I find that I get a fairly accurate feeling of what the print outcome will be when viewed at 50%. At 100% you can find a lot to worry about but overall I do my first and final check at 50%. Very often the 100% problems are masked in print (except for the obvious ones of course) so I have learned not to sweat the small stuff. I never understood the reason for 200% viewing except for correcting a misplaced eyelash ...



Apr 01, 2008 at 03:41 PM
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p.4 #4 · *Samples* Zuiko MC 24-40mm f4


cogitech; I have read the thread/story with interest. Congratulations, and good luck with the repair!
It must be fun to get a lens in your hands that Olympus doesn't know they have made! And what sort of records do they keep? They have a patent they don't know about even when getting informed about it?

I have a Pentax FA20-35/4 somewhere in a drawer. The focal range was very useful when I had the 5D and it seems as most of the zoom lenses in this area perform fairly well. (The FA20-35 is boring piece of plastic with real bad manual focusing feel to it, it is still sold and far from a collector's item. It performs very well though.)



Apr 01, 2008 at 05:58 PM
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p.4 #5 · *Samples* Zuiko MC 24-40mm f4


I think you have a great little lens, and a nice piece of Zuiko history. I've also said it resembles the Zuiko 35-70/3.6 (which I own) and is of that vintage, but it should not be confused with something like the 35-80/2.8 (which I've owned).

The proof is in the speed and wide open performance. The Zuiko 35-80/2.8 is faster performs very well from wide open. That's why I had asked for a wide open sample

Regarding the lack of a code, I don't think it proves anything one way or another. It's not necessarily used for service, maybe more just to say where and when the lens was made. There's no defenititve reason to they would or wouldn't stamp a prototype, or early run. There are other tell-tale signs like the zoom grip. It's the same (including the cracking) that's used on the Zuiko 35-70/3.6. The zoom grip used on the 35-80/2.8 is a different material with a different pattern to it. Then there's the size and weight. The 35-80/2.8 is a large and heavy lens for it focal length and aperture. It was not made to be compact, instead performance was the top priority. Lastly, there are the date difference. You lens was likely made in the mid-eighties. The 35-80/2.8 (and it's special glass) was not available until the mid-nineties.

My guess is that they didn't produce it for a variety of reasons. Cost may have been one, but other reasons may have been its limited focal length and speed. It wasn't vey marketable at that time, based on those specs. The Zuiko pair of 24/2.8 and 35/2.8 aren't any bigger, are 1 stop faster. There was also the competition. At that time there were other lenses with more reach, 24-48 and 24-50, and for speed there was the Tokina 24-40/2.8.

http://www.adaptall-2.com/lenses/images/Adaptall-2/SP24-48F3dot5-3dot8_13A_size_comparison.jpg

Also, it could be that 24mm isn't really 24mm and 40mm isn't 40mm either. Test it against your Zuiko 24/2.8 and see what you get. Also test the 40mm end. Maybe the optical result didn't meet their requirements. That's what prototypes are for


cogitech wrote:
While some people may have many and varied reasons why they might not want this to be a high-end lens, the evidence speaks for itself.

I've already explained that the low-end Zuikos all have the "S-Zuiko" designation, which is a commonly known fact.

OM experts agree that the lens in question resembles the 35-70/3.6 the most. The 35-70 is one of the most desirable Zuiko zooms and is not an "S-Zuiko."

There is evidence of rare earth (radioactive) element(s) in this lens (very mild yellowing, see last photo of lens on page 2 of this thread and also the cast in the snow
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Edited on Apr 01, 2008 at 08:16 PM



Apr 01, 2008 at 08:14 PM
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p.4 #6 · *Samples* Zuiko MC 24-40mm f4


Concerning the "yellow" element, many Zuiko's I have used have a yellow element. It's just the MC (or SC) that they used for that specific element.

Have you seen the Zuiko lens database for OM lens caotings? Many refer to "straw" or "yellow" color in the standard lenses.

Edited on Apr 01, 2008 at 08:22 PM



Apr 01, 2008 at 08:20 PM
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p.4 #7 · *Samples* Zuiko MC 24-40mm f4


The flare on ther Zuiko 35-80 wasn't an issue for me, but I used a hood on it. I started with the standard hood, eventually went to a 3 position Hamma hood in 62mm size that's made to cover 28 (or 35) to 80mm focal lengths. $20 and it worked like a charm on the Zuiko 35-80/2.8.

Leon Noel wrote:
On your Zuiko, it seems this only happens at extreme corners and/or high contrast transitions, which is really well controlled and respectable. Also the lack of purple fringing resembles Contax Zeiss behavior. I know of the Zuiko 35-80 as well, did my fair share of research on it, but pulled out on obtaining 1 in the end due to its relatively weak flare performance .

All in all, glad you got a nice rare zuiko wide zoom, I hope it's even nicer after being professionally serviced.



Edited on Apr 01, 2008 at 08:28 PM



Apr 01, 2008 at 08:27 PM
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p.4 #8 · *Samples* Zuiko MC 24-40mm f4


I'm certainly not confusing it with the 35-80/2.8

I merely mentioned the 35-80/2.8 because I know it is loaded full of rare earth glass to make it as good as it is and rare earth glass can, as you know, cause yellowing over time.

What I see when looking through the 24-40, as I hold it up to a sheet of white paper, looking through the lens from the rear, is a faint but obvious discolouration of the glass. Coatings do not do this. In fact, it is impossible to see the colour of the coatings in this manner. The only other lenses I own that do this are my Super-Tak 50/1.4 SMC-Tak 35/2 and one of my Rokkor 58/1.2s (old version), which all have rare earth elements in them. All my other lenses look colourless when viewed this way.

I do not believe Olympus would put rare earth elements in a "low-end" zoom, was my point.

But that is neither here nor there. If it is f4 samples you'd like to see, who am I to conceal them? I don't have time tonight, but I'll post something soon (hopefully something better than the last samples).

Cheers,

-Paul



Apr 01, 2008 at 09:17 PM
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p.4 #9 · *Samples* Zuiko MC 24-40mm f4


Congratulations on a great find. Many things have already been said, and to have the accompanying US patent is certainly helpful to evaluate the history of that lens.

It was mentioned that the lens does not have the white 4-digit code at the back of the lens: that is no surprise, as this 4-digit code was only used since spring 1983. Before that, on many -but not all- lenses, a production code can be found below the rubber of the focusing (or in this case, might be zoom) ring. Up to the end of 1977, a three-digit code was used: first letter a katakana character, where I, Sa and Shi indicate production at the Olympus plants Ina, Sakaki, and Shirakawa, respectively. Second digit corresponds to the last digit of the production year (e.g., "6" = 1976), the third digit/letter is the production month (1 ... 9 Jan to Sept, X, Y, Z, for Oct to Dec). From ca. 1978 to spring 1983, the katagana character was replaced with a roman letter (A, E, G, K, L, P and W are known) probably also indicating the manufacturing plant. The front ring reading "ZUIKO MC" also indicates production before the end of 1981, when this was changed to "ZUIKO" only for all lenses, though old front ring were used up for some time, which in your case is irrelevant, as it is a prototype.

I am guessing that the patent filing date 02-23-78 will be close to the production time of your lens. A number of US patents for the OM Zuiko lenses have been filed just a few months before mass production incl. export to the US have started. These US patent seem to follow sometimes after a number of japanese patents have already been filed.

It was mentioned that some elements appear yellowish. I am also guessing that these are due to single layer amber coating, and are unrelated to "rare earth" glasses. Olympus had quite some problems with multicoating of photographic lenses up to the mids of the 1980th, and many of the "Multicoated" lenses have only a few elements actually with MC, whereas others were only SC. Yellowing of glass elements in old lenses can be due to the use of radioactive rare earth glasses, mainly Thorium, which allowed to increase the Abbe numbers (= low dispersion). You can easily check with a Geiger counter whether there is any detectable radioactivity. I certainly doubt this, as the main glass producers have stopped the manufacturing of such radioactive glasses by the mids of the 1970th. In thee case of the 55/1.2 OM ZUIKO lens, Olympus changed the original Thorium containing glass around 1977 to non-radioactive glass. If you don't have a Geiger counter, probably the physics teacher of your local High School has access to one, or any Physics, Biochemistry or Cell/Molecular Biology Department at the University will have one (it's a 10s job to check).

The tables for the four different "Embodiments" in the patent indicate that there is not any need for exotic glasses: the refractive indices and Abbe numbers are all quite in the usual range (I have checked the 1981 Schott optical glass catalogue, so it is not that I'm talking about newer glass mixtures). Your color scheme of the lens cross section refers only to embodiment 1; however, the patent is for four different constructions. I think that the 3rd and 4th cross section can be excluded, as there focal range would be limited to 24-35mm, but the 2nd cross section might be also a possibility: the main difference is that the 2nd and 3rd elements are cemented together is example 1, whereas they are separated in example 2 (i.e. 11 elements in 9 groups construction). When you see "haze" at the 2nd element, and it is indeed the construction corresponding to embodiment 1, there is a good chance that it is lens separation. Olympus had such problems with the contemporary 75-150/4 and 85-250/5 zooms as listed in their repair manuals.

Here my guessing on why Olympus has decided against mass production of this lens: the specs were probably not good enough. When compared to the 28-48mm f/4 S-Zuiko lens released in early 1982, it is 35% heavier, 22% longer and, despite that at that time it would have been the wide angle zoom with the smallest filter size (others were 58 to 77mm), the final lens could be reduced to a 49mm filter size. Then there comes the economics: the final 8 elements in 8 groups design was much cheaper to construct than an 11/8 or 11/9 design, especially with respect to the cementing of groups.

History has shown that Olympus (it's a company to make profit, and not a charity to produce outstanding lenses) made the right decision: your 24-40/4 lens would have probably cost about as much (or more) as the 35-70/3.6 lens, whereas the 28-48/4 was considerably less expensive, and still sold only 20,000 samples. If people wanted a lens like yours, they could get several 3rd party alternatives as mentioned in previous posts.

Have you tried to get information on the history of your lens from the previous owner? Was he, or the owner before, affiliated with Olympus? It seems that Olympus has given out prototypes for field testing to various people sympathetic to them; Franz Pangerl (author of "The World of the OM System") seems to have received such a 100006 or similar sample of the 35/2.8 shift lens, which was also in development for a couple of years.


Edited on Apr 04, 2008 at 02:09 PM



Apr 04, 2008 at 01:54 PM
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p.4 #10 · *Samples* Zuiko MC 24-40mm f4


I have no idea what's going on but this is one of the most interesting threads around. And one post since June 2006? Wowzah.


Apr 04, 2008 at 02:16 PM
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p.4 #11 · *Samples* Zuiko MC 24-40mm f4


Any news about this very interesting lens?

Stefan



Apr 16, 2008 at 02:54 PM
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p.4 #12 · *Samples* Zuiko MC 24-40mm f4


This is one of the few threads that just keeps my interests up.... some very good OM information here

Eagerly awaiting more samples ......



Apr 16, 2008 at 03:22 PM
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p.4 #13 · *Samples* Zuiko MC 24-40mm f4


It sits on my desk, among a mess of Rokkors and such, making me very uncomfortable now. Like a turd in a punch bowl.

I simply don't have the guts to send it anywhere to be serviced.

If/when I have time/funds, I'm going to buy some needed tools and work on it myself.

Otherwise it will continue to sit there, rolling its imaginary eyes at me as I play with my Rokkors.



Apr 16, 2008 at 03:49 PM
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p.4 #14 · *Samples* Zuiko MC 24-40mm f4


I think I'm going to take it out of its case this weekend. Its been far too long.


Sep 24, 2008 at 12:41 PM
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p.4 #15 · *Samples* Zuiko MC 24-40mm f4


interesting find. congrats.


Sep 30, 2008 at 04:49 AM
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p.4 #16 · *Samples* Zuiko MC 24-40mm f4


Thanks. Didn't have a chance to get to it on the weekend, but I will soon. It deserves some attention.


Sep 30, 2008 at 06:18 AM
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