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p.14 #1 · new one light setup


shatterkiss wrote:
Thanks for posting that, Justin. It was starting to feel like the elephant in the room.



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Dec 22, 2008 at 09:58 AM
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p.14 #2 · new one light setup


Less talk, more pics.




Dec 22, 2008 at 10:00 AM
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p.14 #3 · new one light setup


maverick666 wrote:
Well why not check out Chuck's website...

http://www.chuckgardner.com/

John



I don't think that is the same Chuck Gardner. The "about" has a pic of a guy who looks nothing like the guy in all of the "Chuck Gardner" examples - I always assumed those were self portraits.



Dec 22, 2008 at 10:39 AM
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p.14 #4 · new one light setup


Yay... my apology if I am wrong...

John

Littlebike wrote:
I don't think that is the same Chuck Gardner. The "about" has a pic of a guy who looks nothing like the guy in all of the "Chuck Gardner" examples - I always assumed those were self portraits.




Dec 22, 2008 at 10:44 AM
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p.14 #5 · new one light setup


It's on every single one of his posts in the www or profile link. http://super.nova.org/DPR/


Dec 22, 2008 at 10:55 AM
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p.14 #6 · new one light setup


Tom K. wrote:
Yes....the Zack Arias One Light DVD is exceptional.


Geez, $250?

That is crazy! Way too much money man ...



Dec 22, 2008 at 11:40 AM
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p.14 #7 · new one light setup


bacilonur wrote:
It's on every single one of his posts in the www or profile link. http://super.nova.org/DPR/


Yes I've seen all that before, that's why I was wondering if there was possibly something different.

Thanks,
S6ix



Dec 22, 2008 at 12:01 PM
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p.14 #8 · new one light setup


Yes..they are...what do you think ?

Tom K. wrote:
Are the two Chuck Gardner's the same?
Here is a self portrait from Chuck's tutorial web site.

.....and here is a link to the about page of the conventional web site that features a photo of Chuck: http://www.chuckgardner.com/aboutus.html

Is it the same person?




Dec 22, 2008 at 12:11 PM
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p.14 #9 · new one light setup


mmurph wrote:
Geez, $250?

That is crazy! Way too much money man ...


Well, have you ever been to a photography workshop? You learn with a bunch of people and pay a good chunk of change to do so. Then after a few weeks you forget 75% of what was taught.....and you get minimal personal attention. The Zack DVD is a full blown work shop with a ton of on location shoots and more.

What would be more valuable......a $250 lens......or knowledge?



Dec 22, 2008 at 12:14 PM
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p.14 #10 · new one light setup


Thats so not cool bacilonur.






Dec 22, 2008 at 12:37 PM
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p.14 #11 · new one light setup


maverick666 wrote:
Yes..they are...what do you think ?



Not even close...



Dec 22, 2008 at 01:18 PM
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p.14 #12 · new one light setup


This is starting to border on the ridiculous people....Gardner is a very common name, so is Charles. So you gotta figure there might be another one somewhere who is a photographer. But more than likely I was on the net first. I did my first web pages in 1994.

FWIW:

I generally only post examples of my work in the context of illustrating a technical point. I don't post for C&C for the simple reason that I provide some of the most detailed and thoughtful C&C on this forum and an equally self-critical.

The reason I don't have "a style" to emulate is because I don't need or want one. Its not like I'm running a business need to use style in the marketing sense to attract clients. I could do that I wanted to. I worked for a master of marketing and have authored many different marketing plans for business operations I've managed over the years. But I realized a long time ago I don't want to run any kind of personal business. The hours and pay suck compared to what others have paid me in the day jobs.

I just shoot what I feel like, when I feel like it. Most of what I shoot is done with my Canon flashes because they do the job I want done with the least amount of work. I posted some handbag shots yesterday in another thread using the Canon's because I didn't want to bother setting up the Bees.

In this thread I posted several photos, all one light shots germane to the topic of the thread, typical of the way I shoot, to illustrate the points I made. Did anyone comment on them in the context of the one-light discussion and the point I made? No, I just get a load of crap from people with a bug up their backside about how frequently I post and where I choose to post.

Get over it. You have no control over what and when I post, so why let it bug you to the point where you derail a thread like this? Face it people, if C.D. hadn't fired the first shot over the bow and others hadn't chimed-in similarly my comments would have faded into oblivion in a few hours or a day at most. Such is the nature of the Internet: if you ignore it, it will go away. But if you keep poking it with a stick you'll start to annoy it.

I tire of people who know what I do reading what I write for the 100th time only to chime in that I'm wasting his time. Granted anyone has the god given right to complain about anything, but is it constructive? That's god with a small "g" meaning Fred, since its his forum.

Here it has derailed the thread. Whose fault is that? Mine for posting photos and opinion or those complaining?

As you should be able to tell from what I do most is that my preference and style, to the extent I have one, is candid photo-journalistic style shooting. Candid situations present more problems to solve, the aspect of photography, and most other things I do, I enjoy most. I made a very comfortable living as a problem-solving manager of manufacturing operation which allowed my to enjoy photography on my terms over the years and not need to do it just to pay the mortgage. I use the same examples frequently because you might notice I'm here nearly every day answering the same basic questions for each new crop of clueless newbies who post "I just bought a set of lights, now what?" Or "I have a 430ex, what should I get next". Those people are my "target audience" and every day I get at least one unsolicited thank you from some one.

I hear "you are not creative" a lot. To me creativity is knowing how to finding the right spot to be to capture a perfectly short lit face in a flattering oblique angle in ambient light and knowing when and how to recreate that same look with flash if the ambient light sucks. Those same skills are useful whether you are shooting your kid's birthday party, covering a wedding, or shooting fashion or glamor: all forms of photography where the real goals are to flatter the people in the photo and create a strong emotional reaction in the mind of the viewer. If you actually bother to read what I write you see that's really all I'm teaching: how to solve problems by not losing sight to the bigger picture goals. That's my definition of "creative". YMMV.

Some here think everyone should either aspire to be a top-notch professional or off the chart creative from the first moment they put eye to viewfinder. How does what I do stand in the way of that? I just try to provide some sound technical advice, which is backed up by sound rationale and common-sense logic. Whether or not anyone uses the technical and conceptual information I provide creatively, or not, is something I let them sort out for themselves.

I don't publish a link to my on-line photo collection because I've had problems in the past with people posting them out of context and without permission to ridicule me and make personal insults about my family. A perfect example is self portrait above, which is from the tutorial on creating the DIY diffusers. It was shot with a pair of Vivitars simply to illustrate how they work for a spur of the moment candid shot. Without knowing that context you might conclude its an example of something else, no?

Over the years I've posted a wide range of my work -- people, scenics, animals, bugs, flowers - but nearly always in the context of illustrating a point I'm making about some technique. It's funny that the same people who mock my tutorial illustrations never seem to comment on the work I do post into the context of the discussion where I post it.

But if you want to see the range of what I've shot digitally since 2000 you are welcome to view http://bossa.nova.org/ but please respect the copyright and don't repost.

See you after the Holidays....
http://super.nova.org/TP/2008Card3.jpg
Chuck






Dec 22, 2008 at 01:55 PM
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p.14 #13 · new one light setup


My first post to the new one light setup or much love for Chuck thread

I purchased a Mola Demi Dish and lit it with my 580EX II speedlight:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3206/3121387365_2337d1dc1f.jpg

Setup:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3129/3121389057_5b1f4240f7.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3295/3122223488_a7277ca7f8.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3201/3121394305_0bf88ab4b9.jpg

The Mola perforated diffuser allowed too much 580EX light pass through so I used a mirror under the diffuser to reflect light back onto the white dish surface and got the intended BD effect, softer and milky white skin
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3131/3123679535_94691048b9.jpg

I posted this on here because I wanted Shatterkiss to see this because his amazing pics with the Demi influenced my purchase. BTW- Shatterkiss, what grip/stand are using to mount your Demi? My BH Impact stands are too weak for the Demi. And I'm considering either a Profoto Acute B 600R setup vs PCB Einstein with the Demi. Thoughts? Thx, Peter


Mola/580EX Flickr Set:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/22228315@N04/sets/72157611365812351/



Dec 22, 2008 at 01:57 PM
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p.14 #14 · new one light setup


Here is a new one:

taken outside on a cold Sunday late afternoon after discovering this wonderful destroyed upright piano.

Canon 580ex in a 28" Westcott:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3033/3110523907_2ba5bb0110_o.jpg

.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3180/3111356616_7031bb8d51_o.jpg

It was very late afternoon, so the sun was pretty much gone, so I was shooting with no ambient.

Happy Holidays!



Dec 22, 2008 at 03:04 PM
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p.14 #15 · new one light setup


Someone, I forget who wrote:

... Face it people, if C.D. hadn't fired the first shot over the bow and others hadn't chimed-in similarly my comments would have faded into oblivion in a few hours or a day at most. Such is the nature of the Internet: if you ignore it, it will go away. But if you keep poking it with a stick you'll start to annoy it.

Sorry that some people take a serious idea as insulting them. I thought when I wrote: So who is going to start a TWO light thread? Never hurts to have a different style showcased. that it would be a good idea. It was not meant as an insult to anyone (or to start a flame war).

Later I wrote I'd like to propose a new thread two light setup. Anyone have some two light (plus reflector or not) shots that they are proud of? Then start the new thread. If no-one is interested, then don't start it.

I'll be doing a two light setup about the 1st of Feb. It will be two lights ... but NO fill light, just a black card negative fill.


Now, back to our regular programing





Dec 22, 2008 at 04:01 PM
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cgardner wrote:
blah.....



Chuck,
Only speaking for myself, but I imagine others might agree... I don't care how frequently you post, or where you post... I tend to skip right over top of 90% of your replies. Why? My personal opinion is you have no business giving anyone advice outside of technical questions regarding lighting. There's no denying that you are a wealth of information, but your work speaks volumes that you can't execute what you know, and execution is what's key with the majority of people on this forum.



Dec 22, 2008 at 04:17 PM
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Sid Ceaser wrote:
Here is a new one:

taken outside on a cold Sunday late afternoon after discovering this wonderful destroyed upright piano.

Canon 580ex in a 28" Westcott:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3033/3110523907_2ba5bb0110_o.jp

.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3180/3111356616_7031bb8d51_o.jp

It was very late afternoon, so the sun was pretty much gone, so I was shooting with no ambient.

Happy Holidays!


wonderful lighting sid!



Dec 22, 2008 at 04:17 PM
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p.14 #18 · new one light setup


All I would say, without any specific reference, is that there are a lot of different audiences here. What fits one audience at one time will not fit the rest of us.

I would also emphasize that, as much as I like the technical, it is pretty tedious and irrelevant at times. The artistic side is more important in the long run.

I see very few discussions on this board that have much to do with, or much insight into, the artistic side of this medium. I think this thread was more about that than about the technical.

Sometimes content is more important than form. A good idea is much less common than decent execution.

I don't have any problem with someone who only knows the technical and never even takes a photo. But there are limits to the value and the time and place of that input.

Best,
M.




Dec 22, 2008 at 04:59 PM
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OK chuck, you do bring up some very valid points but I think you would be better served if you were to accompany them with some more inspirational photos.

Here is a story that may illustrate my point.
My friends mother took piano lessons for over 20 years. I said, wow, she must be a really great piano player. He replied, she types. In other words, she hits all the notes perfectly but even so the listener is left emotionally empty.

As a piano player it IS important to hit all the notes and do so in time with the music but as a musician it is important to do all that while imparting your emotional finger print on the composition.

So what your doing is important, relaying valuable information and techniques and often doing so with very generic samples. I think you would do better though, to occasionally smack down a pretty inspired shot using those very techniques you preach.

This is the technique, why it works, generic photo for analysis, then followed with that same technique used in a really nice shot. As good or as valid as your information may be it may be quickly discounted when the example photos are of a bunch of towels, charts, boxes, etc.

I have taken the time to go through your photos at the link you provided and most of them are extremely well exposed images - which is a compliment - but uninspired. To be honest, I was surprised to see the following shots and now must take you a little more seriously.

http://bossa.nova.org/slideshow03/#50
http://bossa.nova.org/slideshow03/#51
http://bossa.nova.org/slideshow03/#52
http://bossa.nova.org/slideshow03/#53
http://bossa.nova.org/slideshow03/#54
http://bossa.nova.org/slideshow03/#61
http://bossa.nova.org/slideshow03/#82 <-- excellent exposure

Granted, I do not believe any of the photos I linked used artificial light but they do illustrate you do have an artistic eye - it would be nice to see more of it.

Hopefully you did not take this as an insult.



Dec 22, 2008 at 05:16 PM
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p.14 #20 · new one light setup


Here is one more before I leave the studio for the night:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3114/3129389686_fa07b8c4e4.jpg

This was taken in studio, but I was still using a Canon 580ex in a 28" Westcott.




Dec 22, 2008 at 05:31 PM
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