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jkurkjia wrote:
By any chance do you know how long Canon's factory repair facilities have been using the 135L?

The reason I ask is a local Canon authorized repair center (this is not a facility owned by Canon) uses a very expensive 50mm tooling lens purchased directly from Canon for evaluation of camera AF accuracy. The head repair guy showed it to me but I can't remember for sure if the 50mm tooling lens was an f/1.4 or f/1.8 (I "think" it's a 50mm f/1.8 and do remember it costs around $800).

Regards,

Joe Kurkjian


I had all my stuff calibrated two/three months ago. It was then the technician told me they used the 135L as a reference lens for calibration. It was also then the tech told me the 50 1.4 can only be calibrated by making actual changes to the hardware of the lens (instead of using software). Therefore, calibration can only be succesfull to a certain degree. He couldn't set mine to "zero", but came very close. It seems like a very tricky do-it-yourself-calibration lens...



Jan 26, 2008 at 04:14 PM
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p.34 #2 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken


Just looking through the results of the 1Ds + 50/1.4. Here's one at f/1.4, 100%; focus was on the eye:







Jan 26, 2008 at 04:18 PM
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Daan B wrote:
It was also then the tech told me the 50 1.4 can only be calibrated by making actual changes to the hardware of the lens (instead of using software).


Yup, regarding the 50 f/1.4 calibration comment, it doesn't surprise me one bit.

Also, thanks for your reply regarding my 135 question.

Regards,

Joe Kurkjian



Jan 26, 2008 at 04:21 PM
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Jeff wrote:
Not too bad you say, for the 50/1.4? Here it is at 100%:


That's not doing too well. My guess is front focusing. The 50/1.4 has a reputation for having focus issues. At least some copies.



Jan 26, 2008 at 05:15 PM
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p.34 #5 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken


I agree with the frontfocusing, I routinely have to dial in +7 to +10 on my 50mm 1.2. I know, its supposed to backfocus and it doesnt make any sense. Anyways heres one I took this afternoon at 1.6 with +7 dialed in. I focused on her left brow because she wears glasses. She wasn't too happy because she has chapped lips, you can view the origionals here also


50mm 1.6

Edited by ward1066 on Jan 26, 2008 at 05:26 PM GMT



Jan 26, 2008 at 06:06 PM
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Jeff wrote:
Hey Joe, thanks for the input. I just checked, and focused about a mile out, the indicator is just hair under infinity, where I'd expect it to be.

PS: You ready for something ugly? Here's the first image out of my new camera, 50/1.4 at f/1.4 (needless to say it scared the crap out of me):


My experience with the three 50mm f/1.4 lenses was pretty extreme; i.e. the focus indicator showed the lens was nearly pegged at the "beyond infinity" point.

Just to remind you of one thing that I know you are aware of. The focus setting optically and the associated indicator is very dependent on temperature. I shoot anywhere from the low twenties to a max of 115°F. When shooting at infinity and although the lens mechanism converges to perfect focus, the indicator "very noticeably" moves around the infinity point.

AFAIC "being in focus" is a lot like pregnancy, you either are or are not and an indicator isn't always a good indicator of either condition. :-)

BTW, if I was in your shoes I'd be scared after seeing the first shot. :-(

Regards,

Joe Kurkjian



Jan 26, 2008 at 06:19 PM
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bcaslis wrote:
Jeff, I don't have a magic solution for you but I've seen erratic results with the microadjust also. A 35L worked best for me in that I got more consistent amounts. But a 50 1.4 and the 24-70 zoom gave me results like you have. In one Canon document (still trying to find it) it referred to the microadjust as an in-field adjustment best suited for use at a particular distance and for certain lighting. I seemed to get different results with different lighting conditions.

If it makes you feel any better I think the Nikon system is similar. It really
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Sorry guys don't have time to read the whole thread and I don't own a MkIII so apologies if it has been mentioned already.

I do know that focus varies depending on the light source with the 20D. I went through quite bit of this when finding focus variability on a 20D. It turned out that natural and man made lighting caused the AF to front or back focus differently and consistently with the different light sources. This was also confirmed by others.

Here also is a link on the technical workings of Canon's AF system.

http://night-ray.blogspot.com/2006/09/canon-auto-focus-technical-information.html



Jan 26, 2008 at 06:38 PM
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jkurkjia wrote:
BTW, if I was in your shoes I'd be scared after seeing the first shot. :-(


Luckily it's only the 50/1.4 that does that extreme variance between mid-close and far. Close-up (1-2') it's about perfect as is. It's just mind-numbing, and I guess I'm just going to have to set it for close-up work and leave it at that. I've gotten some fine images with the lens (on the 1Ds), I guess it's just going to have to be limited to a very small percentage of my work...

For example:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/hosting-data//3798/83938E4T8141-Triad2BW.jpg



Jan 26, 2008 at 07:35 PM
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OK, I just have to ask. What is that a picture of?




Jan 26, 2008 at 07:56 PM
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A couch or a chair ? But not what you think it is


Jan 26, 2008 at 08:04 PM
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p.34 #11 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken


no there are finger prints.


Jan 26, 2008 at 08:15 PM
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p.34 #12 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken


You guys can't think it would be that easy to get me to tell you, do you?

I haven't even heard a single guess yet!




Jan 26, 2008 at 08:52 PM
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p.34 #13 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken


I know and I ain't telling neither


Jan 26, 2008 at 10:25 PM
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drisley wrote:
Big nikon troll, we enjoy your posts too. I'm glad you have time to keep track (incorrectly) what people may or may not want. Keep the posts coming, very hillarious! nikon has done everybody a favour by keeping D3 access to a few people, now that problems are showing up with the few people in the world that own one.
Enjoy your broken D3's


Are you serious? The only one saying the D3 is broken is you. You know, the person who doesn't have one. It's one thing for an owner to talk about problems with a camera, you are just spreading FUD like some adolescent. How about contributing something useful instead of this nonsense.




Jan 27, 2008 at 03:35 AM
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I'm guessing it's Jeff's inflatable better half and probably a mk III model.


Jan 27, 2008 at 07:20 AM
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p.34 #16 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken


I know and I ain't tellin' neither...

/\rt



Jan 27, 2008 at 10:08 AM
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p.34 #17 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken


/\rt! Whassup! Good to see you slummin' it around these parts!

-J\V



Jan 27, 2008 at 12:15 PM
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p.34 #18 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken


Wickedfn4u wrote:
no there are finger prints.


Or a baby sat on her mother's legs?



Jan 27, 2008 at 01:10 PM
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p.34 #19 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken


Pixel Perfect wrote:
I'm guessing it's Jeff's inflatable better half and probably a mk III model.


Not sure about the 'inflatable' part, and it's a 1Ds...

Alistair Watson wrote:
Or a baby sat on her mother's legs?


Nope, just one person, but you're getting close.



Jan 27, 2008 at 01:15 PM
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Pregant mother leaning forward?


Jan 27, 2008 at 01:17 PM
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