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p.29 #1 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken


Hey Guys

I sent mine in last Monday and they got it Tuesday morning. I called Friday and they still hadn't logged it in - in fact they had a little difficulty finding it. Once found they told me they would send an email with a service tracking number later that day. Still no email with the number. I've missed two shoots while they have it sitting on a shelf waiting to get logged in. I sure hope its worth the wait - I'm really frustrated with the camera.
Over the holidays I was in Hawaii and struggled with a lot of soft images. Then the Saturday before I sent it in - I did a model shoot for a Mrs Georgia contestant and my hit ratio had never been better - tack sharp on nearly every image... of course she wasn't running through the park - but it was so dramtically different from the Hawaii experience - it was like a different camera.

I can only hope they find it, fix it and send it back soon.

jon



Jan 22, 2008 at 09:59 AM
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p.29 #2 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken


Perhaps all these repairs explain why my 40D took a month and a half to come back for a back-focus problems. They also took a week to log my camera in the system! (this is the NJ facility)


Jan 22, 2008 at 05:20 PM
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Andrew Welsh wrote:
Perhaps all these repairs explain why my 40D took a month and a half to come back for a back-focus problems. They also took a week to log my camera in the system! (this is the NJ facility)


Doubt it. The recall for submirror is being done at a dedicated facility.. Some get shipped elsewhere, but the bulk of them is not at NJ or CA location.



Jan 22, 2008 at 06:43 PM
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p.29 #4 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken


Well, I finally heard back from Canon:

Mr. Xxxxxxxx,

Thank you so much for your patience in getting this matter resolved.

Your EOS-1D Mark III, Serial Number 50285x has been reviewed by a Canon Factory Trained Senior Camera Technician, who is also the Manager, Technical Service Support.

He reviewed the camera and the images you provided and some of his comments were:

"Issue/comment: Front focus on AI servo,One shot: Example shot: OX8H7661 (poor contrast for focus point), OX8H7660 (focus on neck area with good contrast resulting in best focus between helmet and glove. This appears to be front focus). In this case, the possible countermeasures might include: 1- Set
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So, interestingly, the Senior Technician only commented on the few images where the AF point (admittedly) drifted off a contrasty part of the subject, and ignored the ones where the AF remained on a portion of the subject with good contrast. It's also interesting that the camera only front-focuses in AI Servo. I don't really get any of that, but...

As far as the 'ghosting' and 'focal plane' issues go, based upon the message I was forwarded, it would appear that they were ignored, with only that general comment about AF accuracy (in regard to the landscape image) which is effectively irrelevant, since the 'focal plane' issue was separate from the AI Servo/AF issue. The rest of the e-mail follows:

As I mentioned in our telephone conversation on Friday, January 18, I will be replacing your EOS-1D Mark III camera with a new camera. This unit is brand new and not a refurbished unit. I have spoken with Xxxx at Canon USA and he has agreed that there is no need for his involvement. I have asked that arrangements be made for a replacement camera to be ordered and I will provide you with additional information shortly.

I apologize for the inconvenience you have experienced.

Thank you,

Xxxxx Xxxxxxxx
Program Manager, Customer Experience Management
Canon Information Technology Services, Inc.


So, at first glance, it would appear that they have chosen to replace my camera, even though the Senior Technician deemed it a 'properly working unit'. However, today I called Xxxxx to inquire about a tracking number (which I got), and told him that I thought it curious that the 'ghosting' and 'focal plane' issues were essentially ignored in the forwarded message from the tech. He acknowledged that, in fact, my "camera was now at the head office for further evaluation".

So, make of it what you will.

I'd just like to state (for the record) that, despite Canon Japan's corporate response to these issues, Canon USA has actually been excellent. Even though it has taken a few weeks to sort out, I trust that this will be resolved to my satisfaction, assuming my 'Blue Dot' that arrives Friday performs as many others have reported.

For those of you that have lingering issues with your 1D MkIII, I wish you all the best in getting them resolved.

Regards,

Jeff



Jan 23, 2008 at 06:03 PM
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p.29 #5 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken


Jeff,
I am glad that Canon USA finally has decided to replace your camera body . Now we can concentrate on the picture taking part; well, after you have received the camera, that is .

Joshua



Jan 23, 2008 at 06:14 PM
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p.29 #6 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken


Glad to hear you got it "hopefully" resolved


Jan 23, 2008 at 06:20 PM
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p.29 #7 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken


Jeff let us know how the new body performs.


Jan 23, 2008 at 06:23 PM
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p.29 #8 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken


That's a good news for sure....


Jan 23, 2008 at 06:32 PM
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p.29 #9 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken


Jeff wrote:
....He acknowledged that, in fact, my "camera was now at the head office for further evaluation".....

Jeff


It's excellent for you that Canon is replacing your Mk 3.

It's good news for all users that they're taking your old body to the head office for evaluation. I suspect that they'll be investigating your issues with that body, even if they don't admit it.

I hope the new one is very good.



Jan 23, 2008 at 08:04 PM
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p.29 #10 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken


aweessomme! way to go, Jeff. now with your new mk III, it'll all be 100% surely positively perfect


Jan 23, 2008 at 09:40 PM
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p.29 #11 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken


It's tremendous that Canon has finally (in my estimation) done the right thing! I've had mine entirely too long to get a new one, though I must admit that mine is 'acceptable' now...


Jan 23, 2008 at 09:41 PM
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p.29 #12 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken


Jeff,

I've been following your dilemma on your Mark III with interest hoping that it worked out for you.
I had a similar issue with my Mark III that I purchased in June 07 and was in the bad SN range. I had some focus issues and then after loading FW 1.1.3 my camera would not focus at all. I sent it in for the SM fix and when it came back (around Christmas time) not only would it not focus but then it started to malfunction electronically.. and then it finally just quit working a week after I got it back.

I wasn't about to start the "send it back for repair" every other week so I contacted my dealer. He tried to get me a replacement Mark III but as far as I know he never heard anything (and at the time my camera was DOA). Finally I sent the camera to my dealer with a ton of photos (like you did) and he (almost 6 months after I purchased it) gave me a full refund, no questions asked.

I purchased a 40D that worked wonderfully.. but since I shoot 95% BIF's it just wouldn't produce like the Mark III. I bought a 1Ds Mark III and tried that for a week but again, for fast moving BIF's it wouldn't cut it. The 21 MPixel was a pain to cut down and crop on every shot and the TIFF files in Lightroom and Photoshop were HUGE.

So finally, after much worry about getting another bad unit I purchased another Mark III Blue Dot from my dealer with the highest SN he could find. I kept the 40D but not the 1Ds. The new Mark III Blue Dot is a Dream. The shots are stellar and even though I have only had it for about a week I am very happy with it.

I am glad you got your problem solved. I hope your new Mark III will work to your expectations.

Good luck !!! Chris in Prescott

Edited by ChrisDar on Jan 24, 2008 at 12:55 PM GMT (Reason: Framed picture)



Jan 23, 2008 at 10:04 PM
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p.29 #13 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken


Thanks everyone, I, too, was very relieved to hear that they were going to fix the problem using the most effective means to ensure that I get a camera that works properly. I can't wait to get my hands on it and see how it performs.

This has been an incredibly arduous journey, and assuming the new camera works as advertised, the one thing I can say for sure is that I'm done being an early adopter/beta tester! I'll report back in a week or so once I've put it through its paces...

mdurisseau wrote:
It's tremendous that Canon has finally (in my estimation) done the right thing! I've had mine entirely too long to get a new one, though I must admit that mine is 'acceptable' now...


I've had mine 6.5 months, so at this point I don't think there is such a thing as 'too long'. If it ain't right and you're sure of it, send it back until it is.

-Jeff

PS: Chris, nice pics!



Jan 23, 2008 at 10:16 PM
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p.29 #14 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken


Congrats. I wish you the best with the new camera. Despite what Monito seems to think, there is a point to these posts that extends far beyond just bitching and moaning and your success proved it.


Jan 24, 2008 at 02:38 AM
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p.29 #15 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken


This is great news. I only wish they'd do this to all….

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Jan 24, 2008 at 02:39 AM
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p.29 #16 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken


Jeff wrote:
Well, I finally heard back from Canon:

So, interestingly, the Senior Technician only commented on the few images where the AF point (admittedly) drifted off a contrasty part of the subject, and ignored the ones where the AF remained on a portion of the subject with good contrast. It's also interesting that the camera only front-focuses in AI Servo. I don't really get any of that, but...

As far as the 'ghosting' and 'focal plane' issues go, based upon the message I was forwarded, it would appear that they were ignored, with only that general comment about AF accuracy (in regard to
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Sounds like Canon USA is handling the situation much better then Canada. I've been waiting since the end of November to get the email and the shipping labels to send my camera in for repairs. I've called numerous times to the customer suppport and they are not able to give me any idea where i am in the queue or when i may be called. The only positive info that the Canadian tech support were able to provide is that it looks like Canon Canada will be following Canon USA in extending the warrrenty by a year from the date of repair (up until two weeks ago, they still had no clue that the warrenty would be extended).

Each time i've contacted canon support, i've been asked to fill out a customer satisfaction survey - each time i filled it out my satisfaction levels went lower and lower. I've filled out around 5 of these since last July, you would think that someone from Canon Canada would have contacted me regarding my responses or issues, but, it just seems they have their head in the sand.

I'm trying to get my local canon rep involved, so i'll see how it goes in terms of actually being able to SEND IN my camera for repair.

They say you should never say never again, but at this point, i'm as good as gone to the dark side. As soon as i can get my camera repaired, my canon gear will probably be going on buy sell. I suppose if Canon dealt with my situation, like they dealt with yours, i'd be probably be willing to give it another go, but at this point, it's more a matter of being fed up with how Canon support here has dealt with this issue and the level of customer service i've received, then how well my camera will work when i get it back..

Anyway, hopefully the new camera will work out for you!



Jan 24, 2008 at 02:52 AM
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Jeff wrote:
Thanks everyone, I, too, was very relieved to hear that they were going to fix the problem using the most effective means to ensure that I get a camera that works properly. I can't wait to get my hands on it and see how it performs.

This has been an incredibly arduous journey, and assuming the new camera works as advertised, the one thing I can say for sure is that I'm done being an early adopter/beta tester! I'll report back in a week or so once I've put it through its paces...


That is good news indeed Jeff and I totally agree, I am done being an early adopter/beta tester! Whether or not Canon could find a problem with your particular body I know quite a few people now who have been complaining long and hard for months and finally Canon authorised a replacement body, it happened to me as well. I guess they are learning to cut their loses and I think this is an excellent way to go. Here is hoping you are as happy with your blue dot replacement as I am with mine!



Jan 24, 2008 at 04:24 AM
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drisley wrote:
Chrisdar, what SN did you end up getting (approximately)?

What firmware did it come with? I know up here in Canada, the biggest retailers are still selling cams (blue dot) with 1.1.0 firmware in them. Some of us are wondering if the NEWEST cams with 1.1.4 may have been further tweaked. It seems that people that get those cams have been quite happy. But, I've heard quite a few problems still with new blue dot cameras coming with 1.1.0 firmware (even after updated).


1.1.4 Did I miss something? I thought 1.1.3 was still the latest publicly available version.



Jan 24, 2008 at 04:25 AM
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I wasn't aware, either, that 1.1.4 was publicly available...


Jan 24, 2008 at 09:16 AM
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I've heard nothing of v1.1.4, either. Interestingly, I noticed last night that both v1.1.0 and v1.1.3 are posted on Canon's website, with no explanation in regard to who should be using what, even though it is assumed that "0" is pre-fix, and "3" is 'fixed'/BD.

Khurram, it's too bad that Canon Canada isn't more responsive, and I can 100% empathize with where you are at right now. I don't really have any suggestions, other than not to mess with first-level support. Politely explain why you need to speak to a manager/supervisor, and then keep calling until you get to one. If they give you 'lip', ask to speak to their supervisor...

Good luck.

-Jeff



Jan 24, 2008 at 10:29 AM
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