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p.1 #1 · White Lightning vs. Alien Bees?


Can someone give me the short and sweet on White Lightning vs. Alien Bee strobes? Looking at the websites and users manuals it appears that both brands are produced by the same person/company and have similar designs and features. Both have similar models and specifications although the White Lightning units have a few additional bells and whistles.

So what's the bottom line on why someone would buy one unit over the other?




Nov 21, 2007 at 10:13 AM
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p.1 #2 · White Lightning vs. Alien Bees?


The AB's are lighter, and smaller, and have lexan shells

WL's are bigger, heavier, and use aircraft aluminum. They also have a capacitor limiter, which basically reduces the output to 1/4 power. Because it's at the capacitor level, this reduction in power does not lead to a longer flash duration (which is great for sports photographers)..

Other than that, they use the same type of modifiers (which is also shared with Balcar).

In general, I think if you don't know for sure you need WL's, you'll be fine with the AB's. They are very sturdy (lexan can be bulletproof if its thick enough), light and small. The versatility there is great. WL would be good if you expect to get into some really rugged environments and don't care about weight or encumbrance.

Max



Nov 21, 2007 at 10:46 AM
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p.1 #3 · White Lightning vs. Alien Bees?


I have x1600 and they are great, I went with the wl x1600 because I would like to use these for outdoor shots in the future and at the same time it can be powered down to 1/4 for my close indoor shots.


Nov 21, 2007 at 04:01 PM
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p.1 #4 · White Lightning vs. Alien Bees?


I've posted this before. From what the people at Paul C Buff, Inc told me, the basic circuitry of the current WL and the AB is the same, the differences being primarily in physical and thermal robustness.

The AB circuitry is on two boards relatively close together in the shell; the WL circuitry (same basic design--AB is actually the mother of the current WL design) is spread across four boards in a larger shell. I speculate that makes it easier to cool.

The WL 800 and 1600 units have a 1/4 power step down control. This enables them to be more consistent at very low power than the single-stage adjustment of the AB, according to my tests. However, both of them are well equal to the consistency you'll find in any other flash unit anywhere close to their price ranges. You pretty much have to double the price to get any better consistency...and you have to check the specs carefully even then. The WL 800 and 1600 lights also go to a much lower power than the equivalent AB lights.

The WL shell is solid aluminum while the AB shell is Lexan. That makes the WL physically tougher, but in practice, it actually takes quite a serious whack to break the Lexan--and I doubt the circuits of either can stand that many gees. It would probably make a difference under a PRESSURE situation, like boxes (or luggage) stacked on the lights. I'd expect the Lexan would eventually deflect enough to bend something inside, where the WL would resist the pressure.

The stand mount of the WL is cast and machined aluminum; the mount of the AB is polycarbonate. I note that Paul Buff sells replacement mounts for the AB, which suggests they can be broken--although I've never broken one.

The WL has a 250 watt modeling light; the AB comes with a 100 watt lamp that most people immediately replace with 150 watt Sylvania Halogenas from Lowes or Home Depot (perfectly safe, according to AlienBees). The company also states that a 250 volt bulb can be used on AlienBees IF it's used in an open-air situation, like an umbrella...but I'd be very wary of a small softbox.

Obviously, the fact that the WL has a better thermally protective design is the difference there. In practice, 150-watts is more than adequate for the kind of living room portraits the ABs are best suited for. If you're doing commercial work and lighting larger sets, you want the WL modeling light power.

The WL has separate manual controls for the flash and modeling power while the AB has a single control for them both. That's pretty much a matter of individual taste, but the WL levers are directly parallel to each other, so it's just as easy to flick them both simultaneously with the same finger as it is to manipulate the single AB lever.

The WL has a thermal-controlled fan--it comes on when necessary (which always tends to be "eventually" on a long job); the AB has a constant-on fan. The AB fan is a bit quieter and lower in pitch than the WL fan, but neither is objectionable--I have a laptop that has a louder fan.

The fingers of the WL reflector mount are cast and machined; the AB fingers are slightly less substantial stamped metal. The method of actuating the fingers is also mechanically more efficient on the WL than the AB (that is, has a greater mechanical advantage to stay clamped). Also, the WL reflector mount is screwed into the aluminum housing; the AB reflector mount is screwed into the Lexan. Those two differences mean the WL can theoretically hold a far heavier light modifier than the AB. However, the AB mount is no wimp, and, again, it can hold just about anything you'd use for the living-room portraiture it's designed for.

The WL lights are heavier and longer than the AB lights--substantially so in the higher wattages.

Finally, the AB's Lexan shell and polycarbonate stand mount means it can't drain off static electricity as readily as the WL's aluminum shell and aluminum mount. Some people have reported that under very dry and stacticky conditions, they've gotten spurious flashes when they touched an AB after walking across a carpeted floor; this should not be a problem for the WL, which has conductivity to the carpet through its body, mount, and the light stand.

All in all, I'd categorize the differences as being compact/lightweight versus tough/high endurance. If you work constantly on location (as I did for a good while), the compactness and light weight of the AB units is very important. If you carry, say, four or five lights on location, it's as little as half the weight with AB units. The low cost helps, too, because while ABs take a licking and still keep ticking, I would shed fewer tears if a truck backed over my ABs than my WLs.

In small-set situations like most portraits, the AB modeling lights are adequate. But if you're doing larger-set commercial work, if you need lights that can flash all day long, day in and day out week after week, and weight isn't such a factor for you, then the White Lightning has advantages.

Either unit becomes positively glorious when combined with the Radio Remote 1 for digital, wireless control of the modeling lights and flash power. I can't trumpet loudly enough about the utility of the RR-1--you can't get remote control this effective at ANY price.



Nov 21, 2007 at 08:16 PM
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p.1 #5 · White Lightning vs. Alien Bees?


Wow... thank you very much for the very detailed response. That told me everything I needed to know!


Nov 23, 2007 at 11:06 AM
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p.1 #6 · White Lightning vs. Alien Bees?


Wow that is an EXCELLENT response! I would like some white lightnings but I think I will stick with alien bees as I will most likely be shooting 1 or 2 people and traveling with them. Maybe down the road upgrading to something more heavy duty when I get a house with a studio inside (mind you im a hobbyist I dont sell my images loL!)


Nov 24, 2007 at 06:11 AM
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p.1 #7 · White Lightning vs. Alien Bees?


RDKirk,

Please explain the above. I don't quite understand what you're saying in line 9,807

kidding.....excellent info. I hope others do a proper search and find this great AB vs WL info.

Peace,
Cordell



Nov 24, 2007 at 06:32 PM
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p.1 #8 · White Lightning vs. Alien Bees?


One quick correction. The WL 1600 and WL 3200 have the 1/4 power feature. The WL 800 does not.


Dec 03, 2007 at 09:08 AM
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p.1 #9 · White Lightning vs. Alien Bees?


i dont think they take balcar stuff. only stuff will work with is bowens.can some1 corect me if i wrong ?


Dec 03, 2007 at 09:49 AM
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p.1 #10 · White Lightning vs. Alien Bees?


AlienBees and White Lightning use the Balcar modifier mount.


Dec 03, 2007 at 11:41 PM
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p.1 #11 · White Lightning vs. Alien Bees?


dannynguyen wrote:
i dont think they take balcar stuff. only stuff will work with is bowens.can some1 corect me if i wrong ?


From my long-time window shopping, ABs use Balcar, Patterson Interfit uses Bowens.



Dec 04, 2007 at 01:49 PM
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p.1 #12 · White Lightning vs. Alien Bees?


DO not underestimate the importance of a bright Model lamp, before my Hensels (300w model lamp) I owned WL's (250w) and before that AB's (150w).

If nothing else get ONE WL for your main Light and the AB's for your others, you will be much happier for it if you shoot much low-light stuff...

cheers!

PS: The WL's appeared to be made with better components.



Dec 05, 2007 at 02:31 AM
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p.1 #13 · White Lightning vs. Alien Bees?


another bonus for the WLs is that you see them up for sale on craigslist and sometimes places like FM or what have you because they last for-ev-er. I really like the ones I bought, though I now want to buy more lighting gear :[


Dec 06, 2007 at 12:10 AM





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