FYI, for what it's worth, there's a very brief note over on NSN that Galbraith has "fixed" bodies and will be "reporting soon." No word on whether they were provided by Canon or not but if true things should be clarified a bit in a little while. (Would actually kind of make sense for Canon to have provided the bodies since they know he'd be getting fixed cameras anyway and reporting on his views.... )
I hope that we have news from Galbraith soon as I really curious to find out the improvments of the Fix. BTW we must clarify that we have also no word from Tokyo RND no results from there which means that either the problem is not completely identified yet or what else could we say
ifxbonz wrote:
Red ,
You do understand, though I made my basis on 500 images shot last weekend. I will be shooting at least another 1200 soccer images this weekend on the 544xxx body with in the dreaded SN range, WITH a "blue dot". and a 300 2.8 in servo. I will let you guys know how I feel. The only thing I will be in North Carolina where temps wont be above 65 degrees.
Canon figured that they would give Dell a huge allotment of already repaired bodies, then give the bodies to Dell for a cheaper price.
Dell then puts a 10% off sale and unloads a huge supply of the "Fixed Blue Dot Specials"
Pure genius from a marketing perspective.
I do not think you will see many bodies released with higher serials until those 546561 bodies have been Re-Distributed.
My dealer out here in MA., just received 10 bodies, all were Blue Dot boxes, all serials fell inside the recall.
He received the cameras yesterday, November 12.. My point is this Canon clearly has new stock, but will not begin to ship the new stock until the old is depleted, just my view on it..
ifxbonz wrote:
So tell me what is the reason for the "blue dot"is? If SN's within the the range of recalled mk3's are being shipped with blue dots. its a contradictory statement!
You may want to read the entire quote.
RG "Quote"
Any bodies currently being shipped to dealers in the USA, says Westfall, already contain the fix and have a serial number outside the range noted above. In fact, he says, any EOS-1D Mark IIIs that shipped from the factory since early in October 2007 to Canon sales companies globally - including the USA - already contain the sub-mirror fix. It's a safe bet that dealers around the world have been receiving fixed bodies into their inventory since roughly mid-October, though various factors mean that some dealers will have started receiving fixed bodies sooner than that, and others later than that. In the USA, and perhaps elsewhere, the box containing a fixed EOS-1D Mark III will have a round blue sticker on the UPC code label.
This says nothing about MK3's being shipped within the SN range AND being marked with "blue dots" thats the confusion.............................
DigitalDreamer wrote:
Canon figured that they would give Dell a huge allotment of already repaired bodies, then give the bodies to Dell for a cheaper price.
Dell then puts a 10% off sale and unloads a huge supply of the "Fixed Blue Dot Specials"
Pure genius from a marketing perspective.
I do not think you will see many bodies released with higher serials until those 546561 bodies have been Re-Distributed.
My dealer out here in MA., just received 10 bodies, all were Blue Dot boxes, all serials fell inside the recall.
He received the cameras yesterday, November 12.. My point is this Canon clearly has new stock, but will not begin to ship the new stock until the old is depleted, just my view on it..
I would say all you said here are your guessing, the low price deal on Mark III from Dell is not b/c Canon gave Dell great deal, but the lack of good management of big online sell company-like Dell. Dell's losing money for the 1D Mark III deal.
Also someones got their Mark III from Dell and other stores--like B&H with Blue Dot and serial # is above 546561. This is the truth Blue Dot seems like the mark of the fixed Mark III.
100% correct, this is why i added a Tag; just me view on it. Why do the largest car dealers give the best prices? It's about volume, not price.
My main point is this, no matter who gets bodies at the moment, you will not see Canon shipping new stock until all the fixes are sold.
Sure they may throw a few in the lot, but not many. I am very curious to see if this fix works more than anything else, blue dot or not.
I am almost willing to bet it doesn't. JMO nothing more..
lidesun wrote:
I would say all you said here are your guessing, the low price deal on Mark III from Dell is not b/c Canon gave Dell great deal, but the lack of good management of big online sell company-like Dell. Dell's losing money for the 1D Mark III deal.
Also someones got their Mark III from Dell and other stores--like B&H with Blue Dot and serial # is above 546561. This is the truth Blue Dot seems like the mark of the fixed Mark III.
These blue dot cameras are not bench fixed units. Why some continue to insist that is beyond me. I have both under and over cutoff bodies with blue dots. What makes them fixed is that they were fixed on the production line. Both have production codes of OV1005. Neither were bench fixed. I've yet to hear anyone claim they have a blue dot with an earlier production code of OV1005 as of yet. Which would more likely indicate a *bench* fixed body.
The 'blue dot' issue range serial cameras have less demand now and in the future, for good reason or not. If your buying with reselling some day in mind its only to your advantage to purchase an out of issue range camera. Over time the serial cutoff will be remembered more than claiming to have a box with a blue dot.
Canon could help themselves by indicating clearly production codes / serials that have the fix, unless that happens many buyers just are not interested in a issue range camera, blue dot or not.
All this assumes RG will support the fix, if not ...
I keep hearing about Dell still shipping 1D Mark 3s. Has anyone actually tested their 1D3 in servo mode to see if the problem still exists? Is anyone actually unhappy with the ai-servo performance of their recent Dell purchased 1D3?
I only ask because you cannot get 1D3's in EMEA for love nor money. Canon throughout EMEA appears to be holding onto stock and no dealer has any at all.
lidesun wrote:
It's not my assumption, it's the nature that how the 1D Mark III was designed.
Don't forget that the 1D Mark III is targetted for the PJ and sports shooters, right ?
The New Af syster and high ISO performance and high frame rate are the key factors, of course you can use the liveview frature when you need it.
Well, auto ISO for shooting dusk to daylight games would be helpful to everyone and how hard could that have been to include??
Autofocus with live view, not for PJ's and sports guys?? How about putting your camera on a monopod and actually being able to see what your are shooting? But wait, you can't focus... I see this as a complete waste of a feature for everyone.
Canon got really comfortable being number one and fumbled the ball in several areas of innovation with this camera. Nikon, it would seem, picked it up and scored a touchdown with a two point conversion.
Autofocus with live view, not for PJ's and sports guys?? How about putting your camera on a monopod and actually being able to see what your are shooting? But wait, you can't focus... I see this as a complete waste of a feature for everyone.
Canon got really comfortable being number one and fumbled the ball in several areas of innovation with this camera. Nikon, it would seem, picked it up and scored a touchdown with a two point conversion.
Live View works well for teathered studio shooting as well as macro work. I wouldn't be so sure it is a "waste of a feature for everyone". But yes, for sports shooters...I could see that.
Alistair Watson wrote:
I keep hearing about Dell still shipping 1D Mark 3s. Has anyone actually tested their 1D3 in servo mode to see if the problem still exists? Is anyone actually unhappy with the ai-servo performance of their recent Dell purchased 1D3?
I only ask because you cannot get 1D3's in EMEA for love nor money. Canon throughout EMEA appears to be holding onto stock and no dealer has any at all.
If these reports of ample BD Specials re-showing up on the shelves is true, I must admit it's starting to pi$$ me off that Canon put so much effort into fixing new stock on the shelves, all the while not one single person here has been contacted by Canon Service about initiating their fix.
adding to that here in Greece Canon service told me that they do not have any information about any fix for Mark III and in fact they have not any clue of what is going on. They have talked to a lot of Canon representatives all over the world and the information is almost nothing.... Something is going really strange here..
Jeff wrote:
If these reports of ample BD Specials re-showing up on the shelves is true, I must admit it's starting to pi$$ me off that Canon put so much effort into fixing new stock on the shelves, all the while not one single person here has been contacted by Canon Service about initiating their fix.
It is not likely that the BD models within the affected range are fixes of existing stock, in fact it is much more likely that represents production of new stock incorporating the fix. For whatever reason Canon serial numbers are not consecutive, and so pre-fix production serial numbers and post-fix production serial numbers have some overlap. A better indicator is the date code, which seems to be universally OV1005 for fixed models and something else for unfixed models.
The fix for existing models seems to have a completely different pipeline, one which hasn't yet geared up for whatever reason, and whose timeline seems to be about two months behind the start of fixed factory production. And that is rightly something to be bothered by.
My 1d3 showed up 1 hour ago. I haven't had time to do anything other than make sure the body matched the SN on the box. I have to find where the production code is so I'll come back to this post and update it in a few minutes.
Here's what I have
Blue Dot on Box
Serial number 549644 so it's out of the problem range
Production code - OV1005 I've now updated this
For those poor dense souls like me that wasn't sure where the "production code" is, you have to look in the battery compartment, possibly with a flash light, because it's a little dark in the studio right now, and it's very faint, but on the back end of the compartment. Silly me, I kept looking around the front thinking it would be easy to see. It's not... Look straight in and you'll (barely) see it....
I won't have a chance to shoot this thing for a couple of days because I have to charge the battery and God is sending a flood sometime tonight to punish us Bostonians for something. What I don't know, but I'm sure he has his reasons so I'll get out on Friday in my scuba gear and shoot some stuff..
Edited by jamesf99 on Nov 14, 2007 at 04:39 PM GMT
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Blue Dot seems like the mark of the fixed Mark III.