Zachs wrote:
Personally I'd like to see a mini-digi slr with no screen so I can relive the F3 glory days w/o film.
You're a madman Zachs. A digital without an LCD. They haven't done that in a long time. No need to wait though or spend big bucks either. Paint over the LCD of that new S5 and in a month or so let us know how it goes.
Edited by grmedhat1 on Aug 24, 2007 at 03:42 PM GMT
I am sorry...but I can't watch a japanese guy fire a camera at 9 fps and not think that a giant radioactive Godzilla isn't going to crush that hotel he is in!!!
And do we really need a digital level to tell the photographer if the horizon is level? talk about lazy.
Yohan Pamudji wrote:
So the fact that it's harder (although not impossible) to judge critical focus on lower-res LCDs than it is on higher-res LCDs doesn't impact your work? Good for you. I, along with many others, am excited that LCDs might finally get a decent resolution bump across the board, which will hopefully affect other manufacturers as well (I'm a Canon shooter). You're welcome to gouge the LCD out of the back of your DSLR while the rest of us enjoy using ours to make sure we nailed the shot.
Do you remember shooting film? Did you EVER shoot film? Did you NEVER nail the shot? I'm sure you did and I bet you knew you nailed the shot too!
I'm not saying that Dslrs shouldn't have screens, it's nice to it. Its like having a poloroid medium format back. GREAT, But how critical do you need to get with that screen. How HARD do you have to chimp? How often to find yourself being that guy who looks like an idiot standing there looking at the back of his camera instead of taking a picture. How many MOMENTS do you need to miss b/c you are stuck watching TV on the back of your camera?
And no, having a low resolution screen has never effected my work. Now having an inaccurate one has.
grmedhat1 wrote:
You're a madman Zachs. A digital without an LCD. They haven't done that in a long time. No need to wait though or spend big bucks either. Paint over the LCD of that new S5 and in a month or so let us know how it goes.
Edited by grmedhat1 on Aug 24, 2007 at 03:42 PM GMT
Yeah, you're probably right. I want a digital F3 soooo badly, you just don't know! If they could make it I would hope the could stick my D1H sensor in there (while i'm dreaming and all)
r_o_b_s_o_n wrote:
I'm not wanting to jump in the middle of any cat fights here... but re: the LCD preview screen resolution....
"No doubt the new Nikon LCD, having 4 times the resolution we've been used to up to this point, will indeed show far greater detail when zoomed!
Not to "nitpick" , but 4 times 230,000 = 920,000. So it seems we are in agreement, even "strictly" speaking.""
You're both wrong, since resolution works on an exponential scale. Even though there are 4 times as many pixels, the resolution is only double!!
Ok, this is off-topic, but why do people say this? If I have 2 monitors at 1600x1200 don't I have DOUBLE the resolution of having just 1 monitor at 1600x1200? Double the pixels = double the resolution. What am I missing?
Zachs wrote:
Yes if you don't trust yourself with your camera it is very useful, but the screen should be used for 3 things and 3 things alone.
1. histogram.
2. camera setup/options
3. to make sure you got that shot.
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Do you remember shooting film? Did you EVER shoot film? Did you NEVER nail the shot? I'm sure you did and I bet you knew you nailed the shot too!
I'm not saying that Dslrs shouldn't have screens, it's nice to it. Its like having a poloroid medium format back. GREAT, But how critical do you need to get with that screen. How HARD do you have to chimp? How often to find yourself being that guy who looks like an idiot standing there looking at the back of his camera instead of taking a picture. How many MOMENTS do you need to miss b/c you are stuck watching TV on the back of your camera?
And no, having a low resolution screen has never effected my work. Now having an inaccurate one has.
Edited by Zachs on Aug 24, 2007 at 11:56 PM GMT...Show more →
In fact, you give me too much credit. I'm one of those young whipper-snappers who's never shot film. My first camera was a Canon Powershot A20 (2MP, I believe).
I actually agree with your 3 main uses for LCDs. The vast majority of the time that's what I do on the LCD.When I'm shooting an event I don't have time to chimp to check focus. Most of the time while shooting events I don't even have time to chimp at all and half-press the shutter button as soon as the preview comes up to make it go away.
I just don't agree with your hardline approach to how others use the LCD. Despite my typical LCD usage patterns, there are certainly situations where I wish I had an LCD clear enough to be certain I nailed focus on a shot, like if I'm taking a macro shot and am not rushed for time. Or at halftime during a basketball game when I don't have anything else to do and might as well sift through my photos and discard the crap ones. With Canon's LCDs it's easy to see a severely OOF photo, but close calls are not so easy.
And I agree that there's nothing wrong with Canon's LCDs. They're fine. But Nikon has upped the ante and showed us all what's possible. We don't have to settle for "fine". Not having a crystal clear LCD will never be a deciding factor in a camera purchase for me, but I'd rather have a better LCD than a worse one. Is that so wrong?
Just because someone else may come across as feeling superior for not needing a screen doesn't make having a better screen any less meritorious for the rest of us that can see, understand, and take full advantage of a better screen's real time usefulness as another handy tool in making even better pictures.
Well, great new screen or not, I think it is still an awesome new camera. So much so I plunked down a deposit today on its little brother, the D300. Wish I could go for this beast, and maybe one day I will. I won't be so presumptuous to say the D3 is all I could ever want (didn't a lot of people say that about the D1?) but it seems like it should be an incredible piece of gear for a long time to come. Just like Canon's 1D MkIIN. (Yes, I realize they released a new camera as well, but the IIN is still a great camera.)
The fact that Nikon gave both the Nikon hobbiest and the Nikon pro something to get excited about at the same time is really a boost for us. $5K is a little dear for me at the moment (I really want to stay married!) but the D300 is much more doable. Not cheap, but doable.
I like the video, though being the pig-headed American that I am speaking only one language, I just wish it was in English. Thanks to H. Ludens for posting the rough translation. This is good times for all, even if you don't shoot Nikon. Just think what Canon's next release will be like!
Don't forget that if the VGA screen isn't enough you can always cart around a 1080p LCD TV and hook it up to the HDMI port and get a 2MP image out of there. :P
I'm glad Nikon decided not to force the MP game with Canon (chances are they wouldn't have won this round anwyays, the 1DsMkIII's sensor is remarkable in it's own way because it plays off the strengths of Canon's CMOS technology). I can't wait for the high ISO performance to really make its way down to the prosumer level bodies, but for now the D300 looks like a great compliment to the D3. I'd love to have a D3, but for now (and probably a long time into the future) the D300 will be more than enough camera especially if it's high ISO performance is as good as it looks like it could be.
Andrew - I can relate to what you are saying with the D300 being more than enough camera. Then again, I thought that about the D200 a year and a half ago when I purchased it. And that was probably correct. If it wasn't for the auto-focus, I'm not sure I would be considering the D300. But I'll still be dreaming of the D3 in my bag someday, or whatever the latest iteration is.
Dang, it's getting tough to get a decent shot with only 10 megapixels to work with!
A digital without an LCD. They haven't done that in a long time. No need to wait though or spend big bucks either. Paint over the LCD of that new S5 and in a month or so let us know how it goes. 
- Kidding, of course.
