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Archive 2007 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

  
 
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p.37 #1 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•



A lot of dust has adhesive qualities, e.g., fallout from cooking, certain industrial exhaust, etc.


Agreed. I have had crap get on the sensor of my 350D that could only be removed with wet cleaning the filter on the sensor.



Aug 27, 2007 at 05:05 AM
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p.37 #2 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


vontom wrote:
Any chance of a "Hands on" thread for the 40D?


Is it just me, or are we not seeing reviews with"pre-production" models from Canon posted any more?
Ron



Aug 27, 2007 at 05:37 AM
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p.37 #3 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


Has anyone seen any info on when the BG-E2N is going to be available? Canon USA's website doesn't even list it on the accessories page yet.


Aug 27, 2007 at 08:50 AM
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p.37 #4 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


Meanwhile, I wonder if the BG-E2 will work with the 40D? If must fit as Canon said the BG-E2N works with the 20D/30D.


Aug 27, 2007 at 06:51 PM
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p.37 #5 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


From everything I've read, the BG-E2 works. You just don't get the weather sealing.

Dan



Aug 27, 2007 at 06:55 PM
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p.37 #6 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


B&H has it listed in their inventory now...nothing else to report...

B&H Listing of the 40D

And fwiw, I trust B&H when they say 40D battery grip is the BG-E2...



Aug 27, 2007 at 07:41 PM
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p.37 #7 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


dswiger wrote:
From everything I've read, the BG-E2 works. You just don't get the weather sealing.

Dan



Not just that, you are also not going to get the "AF-On" button.



Aug 27, 2007 at 09:20 PM
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p.37 #8 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


I wonder if the BG-E2N comes with the patented camera lockup at critical moments?


Aug 27, 2007 at 11:00 PM
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p.37 #9 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


AF-ON in portrait mode might be a rare occasion.
If used just for the separation of focus & expousre, there a special function that works.
I don't suspect many will be doing as much live view in portrait, but then again.....

I wills stick w/my BG-E2 for a bit. I am sure Canon will extract a premium for the new grip.



Aug 27, 2007 at 11:17 PM
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p.37 #10 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


Hi Folks,
I'm new to this forum, but I've been an active photographer for 30 years.
Only a couple of people have mentioned the 40D images that have just been posted by Phil Ashkey on dpreview.com.
I spent part of this morning downloading a few of them and comparing them side-by-side to the 5D images of the same or similar subject matter (e.g. London Bridge) also on the dpreview site.
My hope, from the specs and talk on various boards, was that the images from the 40D would be close to those of the 5D's "older" technology.
I was disappointed.
For example, lining up two full file images showing one of the towers of the bridge and the cable running along its span was no contest.
The 5D's image was three dimensional, with great contrast and lots of detail, while the 40D's image of the same subject matter was flat and lifeless, even after I color corrected it in PS (not necessary for the 5D image).
While I did not download the 30D images to see how much of a difference there was between the 40D and the 30D, I sense,as a 30D owner, was there was no great leap in this product. It may well be a little less noisy and a little more refined, but that was all.
If it turns out that my most limited and unscientific findings hold up when others really have at it, my disappointment will be my own fault.
After a zillion years of getting pumped over new products by manufacturer's PR, I still falll for the big expectations every time. I ordered a 40D on Amazon the morning it was announced. Now I'm going to rethink it.
I'll watch here and see what other think. The other thing I've learned after these years is to keep an open mind. Besides, if I do get one, there's no denying the attractiveness of the bigger font for the menus in the LCD.





Aug 28, 2007 at 12:44 AM
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p.37 #11 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


I agree completely, Jeff, and saw the same sort of thing myself without being able to vocalize it quite as effectively as yourself. Flat and lifeless hit the mark, imo, and I have extreme doubts about the AF improvements as well simply because the sensor points are too far apart to make any extreme difference in performance. Distance between sensor points is simply too much, and the 1.6 crop remains a 1.6 crop performance as regards overall IQ, there simply seems to be a lack of volume, richness, quality, when compared to the series 1.

However, that is to be expected, or should be expected, but various posts seem to indicate that some are expecting something approximate to a series one AF response with the 40D. That would be wild and crazy for sure, but I have serious doubts, and they are not only on the technical end. Simple marketing dynamics might also tend to militate against such a hope.

I belabor this idea because some actually seem to be hoping that the 40D will be comparable in IQ (IQ is perhaps more involved than capacity to hide noise). Not impossible, but extremely doubtful, imo. I cannot imagine a 1.6 crop being able to compete with 1.3, let alone full frame, where even the noise is no longer noise, but quality texture.

With AF on 9 points, as well, a small subject would get lost between the points, and I doubt that any sensitivity would be able to rescue the problem because the sensors wouldn't be touching the target. That was the problem I experienced with the 30D when attempting, with great frustration, to shoot smaller flying birds. I could actually see them between the sensor points and knew why I had no hope. I knew it because I had 2 years experience with the Mark II and understood the deficiency clearly...no automatic expandable AF spot focus to even 3 points, let alone 7 or 13

Of course both of us are guessing, but I will agree with your guess on IQ alone, without the idea of AF, as it corresponds to my own thoughts over the past week on IQ of the 40D.

There is something nice and smooth, yes, but also lifeless, plastic, and drab as well in those photos. Thanks for the input.

PS, Jeff - my preorder is already history, I'm retaining my Mark II's until the Mark III issue is completely resolved, and then I'll reconsider options. No 40D for me unless real world tests prove that both of us have been way, way off base, which wouldn't bother me, either Then I'd buy with confidence...er, more confidence, that is.

Great post, Jeff, thanks for sharing!



Aug 28, 2007 at 01:00 AM
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p.37 #12 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


I still have a D60 with 6 Megapixel. Now I wanted to now, how big is the advantage with 10 MP and I did the following: I took a 40D picture from the DPreview gallery and resized it to 6 MP. Then I upsized it again to 10 MP and compared both pictures. I expected a big difference but in reality the difference was very, very small!
Sure, this test is not quite fair and not very scientific, because the native picture is probably better with the 40D than with the D60. (In real test I should have used the same D60 picture to compare it with the 40D.)

But this can also have other reasons: Maybe the lens cannot resolve these 10 MP, so 10 MP is useless in the end. Or the AA filters are to strong (due to sensor cleaning system?). Or whatever ...

At least from this test I was a bit dissapointed and will wait for the successor of the 5D. I'm not in a hurry. And sure, there is more to the 40D than only resolution...



Aug 28, 2007 at 02:06 AM
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p.37 #13 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


OK here's link to Chinese 40D manual

http://www.canon.com.hk/myContent/Product_Tab/DigitalCamera/DigitalSLRCamera/EOS40D/EOS40D_TC_Web.pdf

Anyone have a link to an English version yet to post??



Aug 28, 2007 at 02:56 AM
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p.37 #14 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


I am probably going to get flamed, but here goes.

I just viewed the full sized images(dpreview samples)
that were compared by the prior posters of the 5D & 40D.

While I am not going to claim the 40D will approach closely the 5D IQ,
the test is not a good one.

For one, these shots are taken at different times of the day,
the 40D shot taken about an hour and half later, about 11:12AM,
the 5D about 9:51AM. This certainly puts harsher light on the 40D shot.
They are taken the same time of year, late August.

The shots are not taken at the same angle
The 40D shots taken nearly straight on while the
5D shots at definite angle that would naturally reveal a 3D look.
They were not taken at the same focal length.
They were not taken at the same f-stop, f8 for the 40D, f11 for the 5D
The shots are not taken with the same lens either.

Now for sure, there is a bit more detail, 12.8mp vs 10.1mp and
the 5D shot is just a better shot-taken
But I am not going to claim I see some magical thing in the 5D shot
based on THIS comparison.
Or maybe I need tri-focals

This the gripe I am having with the DP guys comparing shots with
obvious lack of controls.
I want a real, scientific comparison.

Dan



Edited by dswiger on Aug 28, 2007 at 12:20 AM GMT (Reason: Just makin' it moe accuate)

Edited by dswiger on Aug 28, 2007 at 12:28 AM GMT (Reason: More details)



Aug 28, 2007 at 03:06 AM
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p.37 #15 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


Now for sure, there is a bit more detail, 12mp vs 10mp and
the 5D shot is just a better shot-taken


Hmm, I have a 5D and mine is 12.8MP effective (13.3MP total), not 12MP. If rounded off that's nearest to 13MP (lucky number!). I believe the 40D is 10.1MP, so it's nearer to 10MP.



Aug 28, 2007 at 03:12 AM
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p.37 #16 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


You got me on that one
OK, almost 13mp from just a skosh over 10mp.
Same logic though holds, more detail is expected.

Dan



Aug 28, 2007 at 03:19 AM
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p.37 #17 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


dswiger wrote:
I wills stick w/my BG-E2 for a bit. I am sure Canon will extract a premium for the new grip.


Actually it is only about $10 more than the original.

Jim



Aug 28, 2007 at 03:34 AM
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p.37 #18 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


News from Osaka is that the 40D will be in Yodabashi's from the end of this week. They were supposed to be in today. Going rate is around 148,000 yen but I'm not sure what that includes because I can't read Japanese. Think I'll get mine somewhere else rather than here.

No mention of the new battery grip here.

Nikon D3 and D300 brochures are already in the shops but I don't know what date the cameras are due.



Aug 28, 2007 at 04:04 AM
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p.37 #19 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


dswiger wrote:
I am probably going to get flamed, but here goes.

I just viewed the full sized images(dpreview samples)
that were compared by the prior posters of the 5D & 40D.

While I am not going to claim the 40D will approach closely the 5D IQ,
the test is not a good one.

.............................



Not really a test.
The light was absolutely harsh on tower(?) bridge. Subjectively I thought the camera held the highlights very well considering the light.



Aug 28, 2007 at 07:04 AM
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p.37 #20 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


Martin Schmidt wrote:
I still have a D60 with 6 Megapixel. Now I wanted to now, how big is the advantage with 10 MP and I did the following: I took a 40D picture from the DPreview gallery and resized it to 6 MP. Then I upsized it again to 10 MP and compared both pictures. I expected a big difference but in reality the difference was very, very small!
Sure, this test is not quite fair and not very scientific, because the native picture is probably better with the 40D than with the D60. (In real test I should have used the
...Show more

I still have my D60. I haven't shot it in years, but friends have. I have photoshopped and printed large prints from these file. I am surprised every time at the high quality of the prints.

The 5D is definitely a step up in detail, but do not make the D60 prints look bad. The biggest difference between the D60 and newer cameras is speed. The D60 is slow doing everything compared to a snappy 30D or 5D. Indoor high ISO performance is considerably better on the newer cameras, as you know.

But color and richness of files? Nope, not better

For quality of file 5D or 5D MKII is the way to go as far as upgrade. It takes a lot of additional pixels to make a significant difference,

As you can tell, I'm very fond of the D60.



Aug 28, 2007 at 07:17 AM
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