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p.19 #1 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


Ivo Silva wrote:
Not for that reason no.



I would say so... 20D has the same quality as any other digic II cameras,so this one should be the same as well.

Anyhow. 20D owners finally had their prayers heard. I can finally upgrade my 20D
We'll see a crap load of 20Ds and 30Ds in the next few months,for pennies

Edited by DmitriM on Aug 21, 2007 at 02:05 AM GMT



Aug 21, 2007 at 01:37 AM
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p.19 #2 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


The sealing is a little bit of a let down, When I first read the 40D was sealed it sounded great, But after reading about the sealing its only around the CF door, the battery compartment and the hotshoe that gets "Sealing". One of the main features I was looking forward to in the 40D was the sealing.

I think I will stick to my plan and get a 1 series camera for my next upgrade.




Aug 21, 2007 at 01:45 AM
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p.19 #3 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


I would say so... 20D has the same quality as any other digic II cameras,so this one should be the same as well.

Hmm, I always thought that my 1Ds2 had better IQ than a 20D, but I guess that was all wishful thinking.



Aug 21, 2007 at 01:47 AM
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p.19 #4 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


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But the image quality should be better than that of a Digic II camera? Just trying to figure out that whole IQ angle.


It will benefit from the new and improved sensor, a sensor that does have many of the same improvements that the Mark III has, it will definitely benefit from this new manufacturing techniques first seen on the Mark III sensor, quoting:

The EOS 40D's CMOS sensor uses much of the new technology first seen in the EOS-1D Mark III camera. New manufacturing techniques mean each pixel is more sensitive to light, and less area between pixels is wasted on the sensor. The on-chip noise reduction electronics are also entirely new, and combine with the sensor's general design for less digital noise and better high-ISO performance than ever before. This results in larger, clearer, sharper and more detailed photographs right from the start.

Where the DIGIC III actually helps is in its ability to do the 14-bit A/D conversion, and that impacts IQ.



Aug 21, 2007 at 01:47 AM
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p.19 #5 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


Don't blame Amazon. There are border issues to deal with that stand in the way of standard buisness workflow. Amazon makes their international delivery constraints obvious on every page. It's a government thing, and both sides of the border are making it as tough as they can. Never forget, the main goal of modern government is to get as much money out of your pocket as is possible, spend it, and demand more.

Do you honestly think that Amazon would turn it's back on the huge Canadian marketplace is there were no governmental roadblocks standing in it's way? One person complained that a US based Amazon partner shipped a product to Canada via UPS, and that there was some kind of a transfer duty of $90 added to the delivery price because of the border crossing. That is government at work. Be careful who you vote for. It's easy for politicians to promise the world. Too bad we have to pay for it all.

If Amazon were located in Canada, I'd find someone there that I was comfortable with, send that person the cash, have him order, and send the product to me as a gift, or whatever made it easy. Even the European residents take offense at Canon for not pricing their products within the exchange rate of US pricing. Canon has little to do with it. The governmental cost of doing business in Europe is just higher than the difference in exchange rates between the Euro and the US Dollar. Politicians promise in order to get re-elected, and we pay for their promises.

The worst part is that those hidden costs tend to be very well hidden. Sometimes, even the politicians don't know the full scope of their handiwork. Or they won't admit to it, anyway.



DmitriM wrote:
I am in Canada. Those bastards wouldn't ship it for some reason.


Jim K.



Aug 21, 2007 at 01:53 AM
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p.19 #6 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


cbres00 wrote:
So if the MK III and 40D both have the Digic III technology, does it stand to reason they will have similar image quality?


They will have similar IQ because they both have the same 14-bit color engine.
In terms of overall sharpness, the 1D3 will an edge with with ceratin lenses because of its lower pixel density.
Low-light performance will be better on the 1D3.



Aug 21, 2007 at 02:06 AM
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p.19 #7 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


The reason is quite simple. He who dies with the most toys wins! You have to pay to play. Getting mine come Christmas.


Aug 21, 2007 at 02:20 AM
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p.19 #8 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


Sometimes they do it for good reason, at times globalization can do more harm than good, if you simply let things evolve without such rules many will get hurt in the process.

You have to impose limits to avoid Amazon killing the local and even web business operating in Canada from the outside (US), what would be the point of having a business operating in Canada, having to follow the Canadian rules, and them some company like Amazon just bypassing all those rules and costs? It just wouldn’t be fair.

If Amazon wants the Canadian market they just have to operate their business to Canada from Canada, and adhere by Canadian rules.

I for one prefer to have a tax system based on what I buy and not what I make like the US has, pay tax on everything I buy, but have a decent and free healthcare system among many other benefits.

Jim Krupnik wrote:
Don't blame Amazon. There are border issues to deal with that stand in the way of standard buisness workflow. Amazon makes their international delivery constraints obvious on every page. It's a government thing, and both sides of the border are making it as tough as they can. Never forget, the main goal of modern government is to get as much money out of your pocket as is possible, spend it, and demand more.

Do you honestly think that Amazon would turn it's back on the huge Canadian marketplace is there were no governmental roadblocks standing in it's way? One person
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Aug 21, 2007 at 02:23 AM
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p.19 #9 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


Do you also have import duty or other sales tax considerations buying from US for shipment to Canada? Alot of people in the UK buy from either the US or Hong Kong due to much lower prices, only thing is you run the gauntlet with regards to Customs spotting the parcels coming through the postal system. If they get caught then the extra import taxes and VAT you have to pay can end up making the product much more expensive.

Incidentally, still no sign of independent hands-on reviews? I assumed at least a few reviewers would've got the camera pre-release on an NDA and reviews would've come out by now.



Aug 21, 2007 at 02:37 AM
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p.19 #10 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


DmitriM wrote:
I would say so... 20D has the same quality as any other digic II cameras,so this one should be the same as well.

Anyhow. 20D owners finally had their prayers heard. I can finally upgrade my 20D
We'll see a crap load of 20Ds and 30Ds in the next few months,for pennies


So you belive cameras like 20D, 5D and 1DsmkII all has the same image quality



Aug 21, 2007 at 02:56 AM
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p.19 #11 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


Martin Jordan wrote:
Do you also have import duty or other sales tax considerations buying from US for shipment to Canada? Alot of people in the UK buy from either the US or Hong Kong due to much lower prices, only thing is you run the gauntlet with regards to Customs spotting the parcels coming through the postal system. If they get caught then the extra import taxes and VAT you have to pay can end up making the product much more expensive.

Incidentally, still no sign of independent hands-on reviews? I assumed at least a few reviewers would've got the camera pre-release
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I should have expected the outcome when I thought I found a hands on review link here

"Over the last few months I have been testing a preview of the new Canon 40D under one of their non disclosure agreements...."
http://www.shepherdpics.com/Blog/



Aug 21, 2007 at 03:02 AM
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Martin Jordan wrote:
Do you also have import duty or other sales tax considerations buying from US for shipment to Canada? Alot of people in the UK buy from either the US or Hong Kong due to much lower prices, only thing is you run the gauntlet with regards to Customs spotting the parcels coming through the postal system. If they get caught then the extra import taxes and VAT you have to pay can end up making the product much more expensive.

Incidentally, still no sign of independent hands-on reviews? I assumed at least a few reviewers would've got the camera pre-release
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There' s no duties to be paid on electronic equipment. We only have to pay 14%(8% for some provinces) tax for Ontario. Some shipping companies such as UPS can also charge brokerage fees on their ground parcels. More and more Canadians buy from US, as our stores tend to add extra 30% on top and it ends up being just too much...



Aug 21, 2007 at 03:19 AM
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p.19 #13 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


At least they didn't say they'd have to kill you if they told you anything.


Aug 21, 2007 at 03:19 AM
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p.19 #14 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


alfarmer wrote:
Everyone's hyped about the 40D, but they JUST came out with the 30D for goodness sakes! Why the heck do they need a 40D? What the heck are Canon thinking? Makes absolutely no sense to me, so hopefully someone can shed light on this confusing product announcement...

ALF


I think Canon wants to make money. I could be wrong though.



Aug 21, 2007 at 03:24 AM
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gml1 wrote:
Low-light performance will be better on the 1D3.


Most likely. That would explain why the 1D3 goes to ISO 6400, but the 1Ds3 only goes to 3200.



Aug 21, 2007 at 03:30 AM
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p.19 #16 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


I have no problem with that at all. If you want "free" heatlth care, run by the government, you are free to pay for it in the form of higher prices for goods and services. The same with other percieved "benefits" of government run programs. It's not simply as transparent as sales and use tax in Canada though. There are many hidden corporate taxes and fees that inflate the cost of goods in an effort to send cash to Canadian government coffers that are then taxed again at the consumer purchase level.

I prefer a different situation, where government doesn't steal my earnings in order to provide me with "benefits". In the case of the US, the socialist machine is churning away, but unless they win outright, the US will still have the best medical care, and best economy on the planet. There is no such thing as "free" in government, and if you abdicate responsibility for your own health care, it's cost will snowball, and your care will require the subsidy of others, and be limited in scope. That's pretty much what is happening in Canada, and across western Europe today. I prefer to choose how to spend what I earn, and not earn it, and have someone else decide the best way to spend it through taxation.

Again, to each his own. I live in the US, so Canadian politics don't move me, but I will fight every continuing effort to socialize US healthcare, as that issue does move me.

The Amazon issue seems to be already settled. They don't ship to Canada directly, because the Canadian government sets up roadblocks that cause them to be less than competitive. The same goes for Canon Japan. The reason that their products cost more in Canada isn't that they don't like Canadians. It's that Ottawa adds to the cost of doing business there long before your sales/VAT tax bill is due. Everything is taxed in the end, including other taxes.

What stikes me as funny is that although you declare that it is just and worthwhile to pay more, considering the "benefits" you are awarded by government, and to set up barriers to prevent Canadian residents from taking advantage of free market pricing accross the southern border, many others blame Amazon, Canon, etc. for the difference in landed price for trade products. I admire your stand, as you feel the additional cost is worthwhile, and wish to protect the financial basis for your government. I think you are wrong, but you do champion your position.

How is it then, that the people who blame Amazon and Canon for Canadian prices that are much higher than the daily currency exchange rate can make a reasonable choice in government representation when they don't even understand why a particular item might cost more or less in their country, relative to the cost in another country?

Ivo Silva wrote:
Sometimes they do it for good reason, at times globalization can do more harm than good, if you simply let things evolve without such rules many will get hurt in the process.

You have to impose limits to avoid Amazon killing the local and even web business operating in Canada from the outside (US), what would be the point of having a business operating in Canada, having to follow the Canadian rules, and them some company like Amazon just bypassing all those rules and costs? It just wouldn’t be fair.

If Amazon wants the Canadian market they just have to
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Jim K.



Aug 21, 2007 at 03:34 AM
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p.19 #17 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


Lars Johnsson wrote:
So you belive cameras like 20D, 5D and 1DsmkII all has the same image quality


Here the cameras I've used and tested: 300D,20D,10D,30D MK II. They have the same image quality. Some have certain advantages in some conditions(eg low light noise,where 5D seem to be better than any of those),but overall,they have the same quality. I however prefered to use 20D's jpegs vs 5Ds. It's just with 20D and 30D, it's much harder to get a perfect shot as they suffer from ff or bf issues,while 5D has much better tracking capabilities.
Again,it's my own opinion. Maybe the cameras I had were defective



Aug 21, 2007 at 03:34 AM
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p.19 #18 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


alfarmer wrote:
I understand it's an upgrade from the 20D, I just don't see the big jump from the 30D.

Lower noise? How do we know that?

sRAW? Is that significant?

Higher frame rate? I must've read a different spec sheet.

Live view? Meh.

Silent shutter? The 30D was loud?

Viewfinder update? Missed that one in the spec sheet too. I really need to get my info. from somewhere else it seems. (NOT sarcasm! I really mean my source seems to suck.)

Bigger LCD? I thought it was the same size? And nobody seemed to care about the bigger LCD on the 30D...

ISO always on? Could do that with
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This is a joke right?



Aug 21, 2007 at 03:42 AM
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p.19 #19 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


Ivo Silva wrote:
...pay tax on everything I buy, but have a decent and free healthcare system...


I don't want to get political but I don't understand how someone can say they are paying taxes to get free healthcare.

Give me $2000 and I'll give you a free 40D in September.



Aug 21, 2007 at 03:43 AM
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DmitriM wrote:
Here the cameras I've used and tested: 300D,20D,10D,30D MK II. They have the same image quality. Some have certain advantages in some conditions(eg low light noise,where 5D seem to be better than any of those),but overall,they have the same quality. I however prefered to use 20D's jpegs vs 5Ds. It's just with 20D and 30D, it's much harder to get a perfect shot as they suffer from ff or bf issues,while 5D has much better tracking capabilities.
Again,it's my own opinion. Maybe the cameras I had were defective


This was not what you wrote in your post. And now you even include Digic I cameras.
It doesn't say which MKII camera you have tested. But either of the MKII cameras will of course have better image quality than the old 10D.



Aug 21, 2007 at 03:46 AM
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