p.2 #1 · When is it ok to take pictures in public?
I understand the other parent concerns… but you should not feel guilty of anything, she is your daughter… DON”T give it another thought! and...be grateful that people are watching out. Bring your camera next time and do the shooting from your seat... hey you never know next time you may be asked to be a official photog... also offer your photos to the other parents... make everyone happy!
p.2 #2 · When is it ok to take pictures in public?
I would do as plove suggests. Tho only catch is that since it is a college, they may have the right to ban photography on their property. Since the manager has already spoken to you, it would be a good idea to approach him directly to show that you are being up-front about it and not "sneaking around".
Jul 03, 2007 at 10:03 AM
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p.2 #3 · When is it ok to take pictures in public?
mhayes5254 wrote:
.....Tho only catch is that since it is a college, they may have the right to ban photography on their property....
Sure, they can, but it is unlikely. College is a place where photography is expected, often taught, and it should be encouraged. Typically such restrictions are limited to areas where people have an expectation of privacy such as changing rooms, rest rooms, etc. These regs came about with the proliferation of cell phone cams and the popularity of those asinine and juvenile upskirt websites.
p.2 #4 · When is it ok to take pictures in public?
Thanks for all the supportive comments. I spent most of yesterday running the incident through my head and wondering if I could or should have done something differently. The worst part was being made to feel like I was some jerk shooting kids for the wrong reasons.
Jul 03, 2007 at 10:38 AM
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p.2 #5 · When is it ok to take pictures in public?
Adults who have had overly strict parocial shool upbringing or were part of a dynfunctional household as a child often bring their misguided feelings of shame and guilt with them into the adult world. Don't let their fears and phobias get into your head.
p.2 #6 · When is it ok to take pictures in public?
When shooting organized sports for kids always talk to the coach or league organizer that way someone associated with the sport knows that your there, for the average guy who decides to use a DLSR instead of the PnS will face more scrutiny.
I for one have always sought approval before showing up with all my gear and I get in writing, now that you have your approval that doesn't mean that someone won't stop you and ask you what you're doing.
For those of you who have traded up from your PnS to a real camera in the last couple of years and aren't familiar with asking permission before you shoot....don't do that anymore...always ask! It shows that your a responsible photographer and shows sensitivity to parents of small children....when it comes down to it...parents with small children will aways win an argument with the league or sports organizer than you and your big camera ever will....they'll win it even faster if they freak and call the cops on you.
p.2 #7 · When is it ok to take pictures in public?
I am speechless I pitty the person who tells me i cannot take a picture or video of my daughter. It would not be pretty.
Jul 03, 2007 at 04:25 PM
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p.2 #8 · When is it ok to take pictures in public?
pziasd wrote:
....when it comes down to it...parents with small children will aways win an argument with the league or sports organizer than you and your big camera ever will....they'll win it even faster if they freak and call the cops on you.
There was a case last year where a guy at a county fair in Texas was arrested because he was taking pics of where children appeared to be in his zone of shooting. Some people complained, the police assummed it was for sexual gratification, so he was arrested. The judge ordered him released immediately, but this fellows reputation is forever tarnished. Sounds like a large civil suit in the making that you and I will be paying for should he win an award. What are people so afraid of? It's too bad people like that exist here that think they can compain about something so trivial and law enforcement will respond because of the "S" word. Three hundred years later, we are still under the spell of those wretched Puritans and their unhealthy views of anything that refers to the body. Heck- In 16th century Italy, Bernini was sculpting saints in orgasmic ecstacy for the papacy and he was lauded for such. Where did we go wrong? Ashcroft used to drape the nude Greek revival sculptures and busts behind him when he gave press conferences. Geesh.
p.2 #9 · When is it ok to take pictures in public?
jjlphoto wrote:
There was a case last year where a guy at a county fair in Texas was arrested because he was taking pics of where children appeared to be in his zone of shooting. Some people complained, the police assummed it was for sexual gratification, so he was arrested. The judge ordered him released immediately, but this fellows reputation is forever tarnished. Sounds like a large civil suit in the making that you and I will be paying for should he win an award. What are people so afraid of? It's too bad people like that exist here that think they can compain about something so trivial and law enforcement will respond because of the "S" word. Three hundred years later, we are still under the spell of those wretched Puritans and their unhealthy views of anything that refers to the body. Heck- In 16th century Italy, Bernini was sculpting saints in orgasmic ecstacy for the papacy and he was lauded for such. Where did we go wrong? Ashcroft used to drape the nude Greek revival sculptures and busts behind him when he gave press conferences. Geesh. ...Show more →
See...it's a slippery slope we are on when stuff like that happens. Before you know it we will all have to lock ourselves in our houses and never leave because something bad could happen to us. Today I took my daughter back to the class- without my camera this time. On the way out I noticed a guy at the entrance to the pool with an earpiece and 2 way radio who was apparently watching over the pool area.
p.2 #10 · When is it ok to take pictures in public?
One of my summer jobs when I was in college was teaching swimming, in the lower classes it requires, I mean requires a lot of touching to give the kids confidence, hold your hanf lightly under the back and the head when you are teaching a back float, under the stomach when teaching the dog paddle. Wow can't imagine doing that now!
Durring the time whan my kids were playing youth soccer we had coed teams, we could stand around watching the game, from anywhere on the field. The last year my son played 1998 or 1999 a sea change happened, no longer did we have coed teams, parents were confined to a small area ten yards off the field, my dog, our team mascot was banned from the field, ubtil the rest of the parents complained. Worst of all I was no longer allowed to photograph whereever I wanted to. I knew the head of the soccer league and asked her why, parents didn't trust other parents from the same town. A kid, the librarian's son no less was convicted of pedophelia. Everyone was on edge, so they brought in a commercial concern twice durring the season to photograph the teams and the games. No parents could take photos. Sad day.
p.2 #11 · When is it ok to take pictures in public?
OMT… there is a college up in NH (yup that one) that one day in the summer they all go swimming in the river (right of passage stuff!). A lot of the college gals go topless! Talk about a creep fest .
p.2 #13 · When is it ok to take pictures in public?
I would have felt bad too...but I would respect those who do not wish their kids being photographed by a stranger. I once had to delete photos of a girl with a hula hoop at a public classic car show, by the request of her dad. It was very awkward, but being a parent too, I could understand. If someone doesn't want you to photograph them, then why force the issue.
Jul 03, 2007 at 10:44 PM
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p.2 #14 · When is it ok to take pictures in public?
Mmusicman wrote:
I would have felt bad too...but I would respect those who do not wish their kids being photographed by a stranger. I once had to delete photos of a girl with a hula hoop at a public classic car show, by the request of her dad. It was very awkward, but being a parent too, I could understand. If someone doesn't want you to photograph them, then why force the issue.
However, you cow-towed to the parent for no reason other than to appease them because they intimidated you. What if it was a cool shot that would have fetched a good price in an art show or gallery? In the US, people who are out of doors in plain sight can expect to be photographed, pure and simple. So long as they are not in an area where there is an expectation of privacy such as a restroom, changing room, doctors office, etc, or so long as they are not depicted in a false light (defaming their character, etc) you need to fear no one.
p.2 #15 · When is it ok to take pictures in public?
In the UK you would not generally be allowed to take photographs at swimming pools or school sports days/plays etc unless you at least had permission from ALL the parents of ALL the children to do so - and possible not even then.
But we live in a society where a paediatrician's (UK spelling ) house was trashed because folks did not understand the difference between a paedophile and a paediatrician
p.2 #16 · When is it ok to take pictures in public?
Mmusicman wrote:
I would have felt bad too...but I would respect those who do not wish their kids being photographed by a stranger. I once had to delete photos of a girl with a hula hoop at a public classic car show, by the request of her dad. It was very awkward, but being a parent too, I could understand. If someone doesn't want you to photograph them, then why force the issue.
Just to clarify what occured, I wasn't intentionally shooting any kids other than my daughter and her 2 friends. I generally take pains not to shoot someone else's kid on purpose but in this case some kids probably happened to be in the background unavoidably. (I haven't even reviewed the shots yet actually) The thing that bugs me is why didn't the parents approach me directly, speak with me and I actually would have gladly shown them the pictures. There is too much fear in the USA and I think its become a huge detriment to us living our lives.
I am not dead set on my right to take photos at the expense of others or when it causes concern to another parent, and I will obviously be more careful after this experience- but I have to say it's truly a sad commentary on our society.
p.2 #17 · When is it ok to take pictures in public?
Just an observation, photography aside, when teaching swimming (or most anything else) it is often made more difficult if the parents are right at poolside because the kids are easily distracted. This was the main reason parents were not allowed at poolside oh so many, many years ago when I taught swimming to kids.
As far as the near endless paranoia that we have in America about all things regarding 'safety' - it is going to take some really society wide effort to get beyond all the fear being sold...
Anyhow,
I just hope I keep my cool if/when the man comes to tell me I can't take photos in public.
p.2 #18 · When is it ok to take pictures in public?
This is not something new Jim.
Back in 1994 when my children were taking swim classes, the pool administrator was as nice to me. I was trying to take video of both my children (in the same class) learning to swim, about 2 minutes into it, the director of the public pool came over to me and in front of about 60 other parents very loudly told me that what I was doing was not allowed since other children would be in the video. He told me that I had to delete my video tape (the whole tape, not just the couple minutes of the swim class) and that if I did not he would call the city police. To be truthful, I was very intimidated and told him I would only delete the two minutes of the swim class. I did delete the two minutes (nothing good anyway, just trying to focus the darn camera lol) so it was no big loss, but it really put me off of video taping my kids when they were little.
If its like this after 13 years, can you imagine where its going to be in the future? Sometimes is scares me.
Jul 04, 2007 at 02:09 AM
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p.2 #19 · When is it ok to take pictures in public?
ShellyinCa wrote:
He told me that I had to delete my video tape (the whole tape, not just the couple minutes of the swim class) and that if I did not he would call the city police.
I'm sorry that happened. However, no one can confiscate your camera or force you to delete image without a court order. And it is doubtful if the police would even come unless a disturbance or altercation arose. If a policy of "No Cameras" was readily visible, and you were taking pics, you would be asked to stop, and if you continued to take pics, you could be asked to leave. If you refused, the worst that could happen is that you could be cited for tresspassing. But again, nothing can happen to your camera or images without a court order.
If its like this after 13 years, can you imagine where its going to be in the future? Sometimes is scares me.
This is how the "Thought Police" operate:
Person taking photos + Kids in the scene = Pervert
p.2 #20 · When is it ok to take pictures in public?
tomm101 wrote:
Everyone was on edge, so they brought in a commercial concern twice durring the season to photograph the teams and the games. No parents could take photos. Sad day.
Tom
My kid would not be on a team where the parents could not take photos.
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) house was trashed because folks did not understand the difference between a paedophile and a paediatrician