I've been wondering about the live view and if it will be offered on the next XXD model. I believe that Canon is betting that this is the way for the future and they will put it on all new camera models.
I could care less for live view but I bet Canon could entice some of the younger point and shoot crowd with it.
I don't see myself upgrading unless weather sealing is offered. I'd probably go for the 40D then.
18-200IS that has good image quality? I'd be all over it. Probably would buy that over a new camera anyday.
David Estes wrote:
I've been wondering about the live view and if it will be offered on the next XXD model. I believe that Canon is betting that this is the way for the future and they will put it on all new camera models.
I could care less for live view but I bet Canon could entice some of the younger point and shoot crowd with it.
I don't see myself upgrading unless weather sealing is offered. I'd probably go for the 40D then.
18-200IS that has good image quality? I'd be all over it. Probably would buy that over a new camera anyday.
I'm all for live-view...this would especially be useful with 3rd party manual focus lenses (ie. Zeiss, Leica), along with Macro photography. Live-view was the main reason why I seriously considered upgrading to the 1dmk3....til the AF issues came up.
It's inevitable live view will be on all DSLRs within a few years. I'll bet Sony has it with their next camera and Oly is already up to their second generation live view. I wouldn't expect to see it on a sub 1 series camera in this round of updates, except maybe on a 5D replacement.
I think you are dreaming in techni-colour!
don't you think TWO (2) full frame sensor dSLRs from Canon is enough
NO body else has even one, and now you want Canon to have THREE!
The 5D is a great camera, but not a "HOT" seller for these main reasons:
1> it's price (you can spend a little more and get a 1D2)
2> for most people a dREB or 30D is all they really need
3> it's a niche dSLR that suits a relatively small group of Pixel Perfect Peeper People (sorry, couldn't help myself.. hey, now say that fast ten times).
That truth is good, because that makes it a very unique product. ...Show more →
I think it would be very naive to think that Canon will only have two FF cameras in their near future.
None of us expected the 5D when it was announced, so expect the unexpected I reckon.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
It's inevitable live view will be on all DSLRs within a few years. I'll bet Sony has it with their next camera and Oly is already up to their second generation live view. I wouldn't expect to see it on a sub 1 series camera in this round of updates, except maybe on a 5D replacement.
I agree Pixel. Sadly.
I'm sure liveview would be a big selling point for most, but not for me. I could care less. I don't use my LCD now for review for crying out loud. I have my LCD turned off. So i seriously doubt i'd ever be using it for shooting. Just couldn't bring myself to do that. This dog is just way too old to learn that trick.
Oh the humanity....
My guess (without going into specifics), the 40D is going to be to the XTi what the 30D was to the XT. Pretty much the same image, nicer package, with a couple of useful features worth paying extra for, and several that aren't.
For anyone expecting a baby-5D, or a mini-1dMk3, or for anyone expecting some new earth shattering innovation, i'd suggest scouting some tall buildings now so you can avoid the rooftop rush once the announcement is finally made.
Greg
BiPolarBear wrote:
I'm sure liveview would be a big selling point for most, but not for me. I could care less. I don't use my LCD now for review for crying out loud. I have my LCD turned off. So i seriously doubt i'd ever be using it for shooting. Just couldn't bring myself to do that. This dog is just way too old to learn that trick.
Oh the humanity....
Given that the AF doesn't work in 'live view' on even the 1D3 then how many people are really going to bother using it except for maybe some tripod or 'shooting over your head' work?
EOSMIKE wrote:
I feel Canon will introduce a new low end body between now and Xmas (below the XTi, such as a dREB "lite") a camera that will offer similar features and pricing of the Nikon D40 / D40x
I think its also a strong possibility that Canon will introduce a EOS 0000D series line to compete with the lower end of the market like the Nikon D40X and Pentax K1000D Super. My guess we will see something like this sometime next year.
veeral wrote:
IMO I dont see how that will ever happen. The focusing system of the 1D/1Ds is one of many features that distinguishes a pro-grade camera from a consumer grade camera. My feeling is that may tweak the AF from the 30D but not fully replace it with the AF from the 1D/1Ds.
I can definitely see the 1-series AF being implemented in a 5D replacement, as that's kinda like what they had with the EOS 3. The question would then be whether they include it this time round, or string us along for yet another generation of bodies... But yeah, I agree that we probably won't see it in a 40D.
I'm guessing that the 40D will only be an incremental upgrade over the 30D, but I for one would be happy with that. I'm currently shooting with the DRibble and am finding a few aspects of it a bit frustrating, but the 30D isn't quite enough of an improvement to justify an upgrade. By the time the 40D comes out, however, all those incremental upgrades are probably going to add up to a feature set that I'd find quite attractive. Then again, I'd also find the feature set of a second-hand 1D2n quite attractive, so who knows?
How long do you guys think it will take for this 40D to hit the market after its anounced? Because I am of dire need of one at the beginning of October, since I am going on important assignment/expedition.
Also I am bit worried that the first copies will have problems like the first 30Ds supposedly had.
My guess the first shipment would be late September/Early October assuming everything goes to plan. If you need the camera ASAP I would go to your supplier and place a pre order as soon as you hear the official announcement by Canon to ensure you get one of the first batch. Might also be a good idea if you could put your name down now (Assuming your supplier would offer you the option).
IFeito wrote:
September 2006, that is, look at the dates on that rumour report! I'm betting on the week of August 23rd, probably around Tuesday or Thursday.
Ignacio
There was another rumor of July 23rd. I'm holding out on that one!
Its pretty interesting how many talk about the how's and why's of the 20/30d vs 5d and what is said. When the 20d came out it was a perfect niche camera for the semi-pro/emerging pro market or for those who wanted a smaller "personal work" camera. At that moment, 8 megapixels was the same as the 1dmkII, with a lesser af system but the advantage of a smaller form. (yes some people like smaller cameras that have good feature sets)
when the 5d came about, it was/is a good offering for those breaking into the market who want to shoot stock/editorial work or smaller commercial jobs, or those wanting a great personal camera. Nothing offered to oppose it in the competition @ the pricepoint doesn't hurt.
At this point I think the main things canon will be thinking about with a 30d replacement will be where sony and nikon are and will be in 1 year. That being said, the new "hot" features that are must haves are anti dust sensor shake, live view, big lcds and at least 10megapixels and the new digic 3. I think a MAJOR improvement would be a better viewfinder, but am not sure if/how that would happen if a pop up flash feature is maintained. Some sort of AF improvement is highly possible as plenty of 30d's are purchased for wildlife/sports shooting for those without the cash for the 1d bodies. Canon takes into account how their products are used and percieved when posting them up against the competition.
The key to a diverse lineup of dslrs is exactly just that, diversity. Canon wants to keep those buying cheaper cameras to always be looking to upgrade, whether that means the newest in the line they currently have or the next "level" up. For example when I upgraded my 20d, the 30d didn't offer me the ability to shoot many things I wanted to shoot at the quality levels I needed (doing magazine work, the 8megapixels just was too little and no "real" stock agency allows it outside of editorial/reportage work) and the 5d offered a great amount of IQ at a price that allowed me to purchase 2 bodies vs 1 1dsmkII and not lose out on the perfomance I needed.
For me, the only way I would even consider a 30d replacement is if it went 1.3 crop (not going to happen) but it's interesting to see where the market as a whole is going these next months. Especially since everyone's pretty much counting on a 1dsmkII replacement and wanting it to compete with/decimate the mamiya zd just released. I think at this point canon really should assess if it wants to extend into MF territory with a new MF digital 645 system as packing more than 20 megapixels into a 24x36mm frame currently seems out of the question with the current lens lineup/sensor technology. Plus canon seems to believe (as to how their products are being released 1d flagships/5d) that FF is the future (back to the future really) and that more real estate is only BETTER for sensors as it was for film.
So I'm way off topic, but when I read through all of this, I needed to get some thoughts out-not enough photo nerds in my life I guess to blab about this in person.
Interesting opinions! I wonder when somebody is going to speculate if the announcement is going to be 10h30 or 12h45!
IMO. (humble)
Canon has to remember that Pentax, Oly, Sony and Nikon 40D competitors have been on the market a while and the replacements would start coming in in 2008. Doing minor upgrades like the 20D to 30D would be a marketing disaster. Ultimately, the replacement of the camera is because new technology is available and to make sure that the product is better and sells better than than the opposition. They don't have the luxury of being the best or the best specced camera in that market sector like 18 months ago. So-? expect fireworks like we had with the 1Dm3. I hope.
Canon made a marketing mistake with the 1D mk3. It shouldve been 12 megapixels, I know not much difference from 10 in practical terms BUT marketing wise it helps it separate it even more from the many 10mp DSLRs available today. The extra 2MP gives more usable life to the 1D mk3 and becomes an alternative to current 5D owners that wish to upgrade without having to give up MP.
The 30d is dated, no question, shoulve been replaced before the 1Dmk2n was. Same with the 1Ds mk2, needs replacement ASAP. Id be very surprised if the year goes by without a 1Ds mk3 and or "40d" being released.
to blab about this in person.