That might be a more tell tale sign then it's original appearance there...
Oh, and by the way, I agree with those who say I'd rather have 8MP and lower noise... I doubt that it will happen however... but I see absolutely no reason to go to 12MP at this time, unless somehow they magically managed to get it to perform as good as a 8MP with the latest microlens technology and electronics could bring... I suspect what we will get is a 10MP sensor with perhaps slightly better noise levels then on the 400D and perhaps more dynamic range...
gregoryfo wrote:
The listing for the 40d is gone from the site now
IF this is true, it would be kind of a let down. If I upgrade from my 20D, may as well get a 30D. Cheaper.
I suspect/hope we will see a different 40D then what was listed here. There needs to be more for 20D and 30D owners to chew on before they swallow the 40D bone. I was hoping for at least DigicIII and high ISO. 10.1 meg is ok but don't feel I need a shaker.
Janez Nori wrote:
Most of you don't need more than 8 mpix anyway.
Gosh darn man, I'm glad you toll-a-me.... buts some of us crops occationally so I only gets me half a billboard
But I do agee if they don't upgrade that focus mech I'm jumping ship for sure
I'll be damned if I'm going to fork over 4500.00 plus to have a decent focus system when there are so many good alternatives. (And more coming up soon)
I can't imagine it would be Digic II, I do doubt weather sealing, but I don't see why you all think that AF would not be improved? It would seem that after the 30D Canon would want to make a clear winner.
I think that they are looking to get people to buy a canon 40D over other companies, or getting the rebel/PS users to upgrade. I doubt that the main focus from canon is to get all the 20D and 30D owners to upgrade. So, if it is only a minor upgrade from the 30D that is still a very worthwhile move for canon. It is a very different market vs the 1D market. People buying an xxD camera aren't likely to be making much/any money from photography, most are likely spending huge bucks on it as a fun hobby. Most people buying hobby equipment won't be upgrading every 18months to follow the product lifecycle, they get something good and keep it for years. The technology is improving very fast, but cameras from 3-4yrs ago still take great pictures.
Personaly I am using an original rebel and would love to upgrade soon. I've thought about getting a 30D, but the fact that it is older technology and is likely going to be changed soon is enough reason not to purchase it. So for me it doesn't matter if it is only a minor upgrade from the 30D, I'm comparing it to a 300D or whatever its called. I would guess that many of the other 40D customers are in the same position
I'd like at least 5fps in RAW+LargeJPG mode for at least 25 shots, 12 MP, ISO 50 - 6400 (in 1/3 increments), DIGIC III with face-recognition for reviewing detail on faces in play mode, interchangeable focusing screens and a much quieter shutter (why can they make it like the whisper drive or whatever on my Elan 7E?) and more than 9 AF points.
I'd like at least 5fps in RAW+LargeJPG mode for at least 25 shots, 12 MP, ISO 50 - 6400 (in 1/3 increments), DIGIC III with face-recognition for reviewing detail on faces in play mode, interchangeable focusing screens and a much quieter shutter (why can they make it like the whisper drive or whatever on my Elan 7E?) and more than 9 AF points that have Eye-Recognition (WTF Canon? It's available on my $125 Elan Body!?!?!)
jctriguy wrote:
I doubt that the main focus from canon is to get all the 20D and 30D owners to upgrade. So, if it is only a minor upgrade from the 30D that is still a very worthwhile move for canon.
I have to disagree with you here - a minor upgrade will be very damaging to Canon in regards to sales.
I too have a 300D and am ready to leap into L lense/s and new body, time to take things a bit more seriously! The lenses I already own have been great for learning but they will go when I sell 300D!
After a lot of homework I have decided to resist temptation of purchasing a 5D (may go down that track much later on) & put money saved towards the lenses.
I am chomping at the bit to purchase my gear but everything is on hold with rumours of 40D. If like with the 20D - 30D upgrade there is no real noticable improvement I will definitely purchase a 30D & why wouldn't you!! PUT THE SAVINGS TOWARDS GLASS....
Never had an issue with dust with 300D so dust shake won't get my attention. It had better have noticeably improved DR for my money.
Others who may be in the same position as myself may be looking at the competition if replacing everything
'Yep thoroughly sick of the rumours PUT ME OUT OF MY MISERY CANON!!!
joekraft wrote:
I think I would pay almost the cost of a 5d if they could put the af mechanism of the MKIII into the 40d.
Well I think that the likelihood of that occuring is nil. The 40D is marketed towards amateurs, and installing a complex 45 point AF system in the camera may act as a detriment to less advanced users rather than an advantage. It is likely the cost associated with the AF system would be unrecoverable at the price point, and would eliminate the differentiation with the 1D3 for many users. I think the best we could hope for woill be more X type sensors at the extreme ends of the AF area.
The highly respected website, DCVIEWS.COM, is speculating on the 40D tonight. Here is a quote from their article: "It looks like the announcement of the much rumored Canon 40D, successor to the Canon 30D is imminent."
They don't say anything specific on specifications or announcement date but it's good to see it there.
tarpon6 wrote:
I have seen lot's of camera rumors, but I've never seen anything like the 40D. This has to be the most rumored, speculated, and discussed pre-release camera in history. I hope that it will live up to the hype..
You sorta answer the question yourself. Anything that gets the Frenzied Hype™ treatment runs a very high risk of turning into a disappointment.
My gut feeling tells me I'll have to brace for a mediocre product upgrade, bringing the 40D into the 10 Mpixel family without much to set it apart from everyone there. That's bound to disappoint me because I'd want the 40D do set itself appart from the existing K10D/D80/D200/Alpha 100 competition. But what I wish for means very very little because Canon has to consider a lot more than just my wants and needs. Economics, for starters.
roly72 wrote:
Canon make cameras, they are not a marketing agency.
Actually, marketing is what Canon does best, as Canon is about making money. They just happen to make Cameras. There's not normally anything valiant or chivalrous about business of any sort. I still think the CEO of Canon reads these posts and just sits back and chuckles.....
Actually, marketing is what Canon does best, as Canon is about making money. They just happen to make Cameras. There's not normally anything valiant or chivalrous about business of any sort. I still think the CEO of Canon reads these posts and just sits back and chuckles.....
Actually, he will have people doing that for him, and report to the PR teams, who report back to him. Or something along those lines
Antony wrote:
Well I think that the likelihood of that occuring is nil. The 40D is marketed towards amateurs, and installing a complex 45 point AF system in the camera may act as a detriment to less advanced users rather than an advantage. It is likely the cost associated with the AF system would be unrecoverable at the price point, and would eliminate the differentiation with the 1D3 for many users. I think the best we could hope for woill be more X type sensors at the extreme ends of the AF area.
I agree with both of you. What joekraft describes isn't a 40D, it's a 4D. Which I would probably buy.
Antony - yeah, I agree with you, but we can wish. I'm just saying - the ability to use the sweet spot of a lens is great with the crop sensors - I don't mind not having full-frame. I'd rather have a _great_ focusing system on a crop, than the so-so system of the 30D on a full frame. I know they aren't going to put 45 points in unfortunately. You are right, I think even x sensors on the periphery would be a bonus. Might even be compelling enough to upgrade. But my main point, was I'd rather save my money and even buy a 1D MkIIn, then a 40 D just to get a few more pixels and the rest. Will - I would buy a 4D too, nice way to put it
I agree with you in that. I think we will see the 30D PLUS. Ie. same as 30D but 10MP, antidust, and MAYBE, just MAYBE, Digic 3 processor in it. Not much else.
Tentacle wrote:
You sorta answer the question yourself. Anything that gets the Frenzied Hype™ treatment runs a very high risk of turning into a disappointment.
My gut feeling tells me I'll have to brace for a mediocre product upgrade, bringing the 40D into the 10 Mpixel family without much to set it apart from everyone there. That's bound to disappoint me because I'd want the 40D do set itself appart from the existing K10D/D80/D200/Alpha 100 competition. But what I wish for means very very little because Canon has to consider a lot more than just my wants and needs. Economics, for starters.
