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demasoni wrote:
There are plenty of different lens would give you good bokeh, if you're not happy with it then get a different one, or switch brand, simple as that. as for the main subject...


Plenty of different lenses? Show me. 35mm focal length, full frame, faster than f2.8, EOS mount, autofocus, better bokeh than this with tough backgrounds (none of this "plain background" crap), color/contrast/sharpness on par with the 35L. I'd be thrilled to find an alternative.

Edited by fourfa on May 18, 2007 at 04:58 AM GMT



May 17, 2007 at 06:23 PM
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rhorta wrote:
Well put, thanks for the sobering reminder!


Wow Russ, tell us how you really feel!

Andy- this is one reason why the 35L is not in my lineup. Not stellar for bokeh (weddings for me), and too much CA for landscapes stopped down (hobby).

And I think the bokeh comments from the reviews are just from the quantity of the bokeh that a new 35L user is not used to with a wide angle.

I think the best reason to use a 35L is for how it renders things that *are* in focus.



May 17, 2007 at 06:37 PM
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p.5 #3 · 35L bad bokeh


Sorry about the harsh comments I made, hope nobody take it personally and get offended, already edited my posts.


May 17, 2007 at 09:04 PM
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hahaha!!! I don't know why I am linked to that porn site... but I find it kind of funny!

Umm... I shoot Canon lenses, why would my Canon lenses show better bokeh than anyone else's? I also don't own the 35L so it wouldn't really be part of this thread, but if you want me to find some shots where I am happy with my Canon bokeh I could do that... are you interested? I mainly shoot b&w film... and more abstract stuff... but I could start a separate thread...

slau wrote:
mh2000, are you aware that clicking on your WWW button (Home Page) takes people to a pron site? I was trying to see some of your images with good bokeh.



May 18, 2007 at 12:29 AM
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mh2000 wrote:
hahaha!!! I don't know why I am linked to that porn site... but I find it kind of funny!

Umm... I shoot Canon lenses, why would my Canon lenses show better bokeh than anyone else's? I also don't own the 35L so it wouldn't really be part of this thread, but if you want me to find some shots where I am happy with my Canon bokeh I could do that... are you interested? I mainly shoot b&w film... and more abstract stuff... but I could start a separate thread...



Sure, by all means start a separate thread. I used to shoot BW film before switching to digital. Since I was a landscape shooter and bokeh has never been a probelm, as usually my shots are sharp from front to infinity .



May 18, 2007 at 12:48 AM
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timnosenzo wrote:
just goes to show you that you can't believe everything you read on the internet.






May 18, 2007 at 02:17 AM
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mh2000,

Yeah, I think you're in the super-minority as far as photographers go... even among "artists" who sell their work in top galleries nationally and internationally.

But, honestly, how many people on this site shoot abstract photography? Hell, how many people do you think shoot abstract photography?

How many celebrated photographers shoot abstract photography?

I'm using this definition:
"Abstract art is now generally understood to mean art that does not depict objects in the natural world, but instead uses colour and form in a non-representational way."

Granted, it's from wikipedia-- but a cited source (didn't feel in the mood to dig around). I'm not talking about non-figurative work like miro. I'm talking abstract-- non-representational art. It's very uncommon to find this kind of work in the photographic world... I would LOVE to see your work, can you send me a link?

That's not to say that issues of color and light and texture don't come into non-abstract photography (because obviously it does), but in most cases photography is about the subject, the story, not solely about the supporting characters like color, texture, light, etc.

Abstract art is a niche even in the art world, even in media more widely used for that purpose... such as painting and sculture.

As for those who thought my comment was heavy handed... just trying to bring us all back down to earth. We seem to get wrapped up in technical BS pretty quickly over here. I'm not immune from this either-- I've definitely caught myself telling someone about how much this piece of glass is smooth, wonderful colors, blah blah blah.

Any lens could be "better" including the 35L, but any photographer who can't make the 35L give acceptable results needs to examine his or her technique and understanding of this medium. That's all.

All gear has limitations under certain conditions, hence my analogy to shooting in no light. If you know that certain backgrounds and lighting give certain qualities to you image that you do not like... well, get different gear (which likely wont help here), or change your composition, your lighting, etc.

Further, getting that "perfect" shot, that looks like everyone else's: creamy background, tiny dof, standard posing, even lighting, is going to do one thing for the world of photography and the photographers in specific-- make your work look vanilla. Plain, boring.

What sets the great photoraphers at a level different than everyone else. It's a word I just used: different. They stand out not for their adherence to some bland ideal, but by doing something different and clever that makes their imagery more moving, or more thoughtful, or whatever.

Besides, anyone who thinks better cameras and lenses are going to fix all their problems has a tough reality to face.

Didn't mean to be vitriolic before... nor do I now.




May 18, 2007 at 02:39 AM
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"The boke is on the table"
I know, I know, sorry, I couldn't resist...

Maybe the 16-35 II have a better bokeh... or 50L... or 24L... If a lens is not good for you, try other one(s). But I agree completely with Russ here:

"All gear has limitations under certain conditions, hence my analogy to shooting in no light. If you know that certain backgrounds and lighting give certain qualities to you image that you do not like... well, get different gear (which likely wont help here), or change your composition, your lighting, etc. "

Heck, I love my 50 1.8 yet!!



May 21, 2007 at 11:07 PM
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mickr7an wrote:
I hate to be pedantic but you are all spelling boke wrong. There is no 'h' at the end. I've often seen it spelt this way on the internet but the correct spelling is boke from the Japanese. Well known photographer and writer Mike Johnson purposely misspelt it bokeh for an article he wrote for a magazine so people wouldn't mispronounce it, so I blame him.


The term is actually a combination of two sounds. Written phonetically, the sounds most closely approximate "bo" and "ke" (that's a short e, sounding more like our "a")

So, a Japanese person writing in "Romaji" (using our alphabet) would write "boke" as you suggest. Any Japanese person reading this Romaji would pronounce it exactly as it should be pronounced, but any westerner would read it as "boak".

What Mike Johnson did was spell it in a way that keeps our pronunciation consistent with the Japanese sounds, which is more correct than having everyone going around saying "boak".

So, let's stick with bokeh, eh?




Jun 27, 2007 at 11:42 AM
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jjlphoto wrote:
But how do you pronounce it?

Bokeh like BOCA Raton?
Bokeh like O-kay?
Bokeh like o-KAY?
Boke like BROKEback Mountain?


Bokeh. Like o-k

Both syllables have the same stress (as with all Japanese) and are pronounced very curtly.

bo is just bo, not bow (there should be no "oo" or "w" sound at the end)

ke is like our letter "k", but cut it short. It shouldn't be "kay" or "kei" (there is no "ee" sound at the end)

When we read "bokeh" we have a tendency to say "bow-kay". Japanese people hearing that would think we were saying "bo-u-ke-i" It sounds like 4 syllables, to them.

P.S. My wife and daughters speak only Japanese to each other so I have an ear for it.



Jun 27, 2007 at 11:54 AM
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p.5 #11 · 35L bad bokeh


When will they upgrade to boke II? Will we soon have boke classic and boke vanilla? Things go better with boke.

If Ned Flanders takes up photography will he go around saying "okely bokely"?




Jun 27, 2007 at 05:50 PM
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p.5 #12 · 35L bad bokeh


boke schmoke


Jun 27, 2007 at 07:37 PM
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p.5 #13 · 35L bad bokeh


Interesting and true but not as glaring or grating to me as
to hear and force my self to say Niekon in the US so as to be understood.
Ni as in nippon, not nieppon.



Jun 27, 2007 at 08:32 PM
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