JeffBowser wrote:
I wonder when Nissan will release the Boke. Will it have harsh, angular lines, and a windshield that produces specular highlights ? Will the tires be round, or gently octagonal ?
like I said, just for fun; all the points have been made and there's not much more to say. you're absolutely right, there are lots of other qualities and I tried to make that very clear in the initial post. but this post isn't about those other qualities.
am I shocked? no. but I would really like to own the lens described by those reviews, and I did think that's what I would get when I initially bought the lens. If it turns out that that lens does not exist, then there should be a frank discussion about that. this has come pretty close.
JeffBowser wrote:
I wonder when Nissan will release the Boke. Will it have harsh, angular lines, and a windshield that produces specular highlights ? Will the tires be round, or gently octagonal ?
>>am I shocked? no. but I would really like to own the lens described by those reviews, and I did think that's what I would get when I initially bought the lens. If it turns out that that lens does not exist, then there should be a frank discussion about that. this has come pretty close.
Yes, thanks for bringing this to light! I would also have liked to buy the lens everyone describes... but didn't see the results matching the hype... so I've passed on the lens and have held my tongue and never commented on list at what I was seeing in all too many example shots...
Bokeh has got to be one of THE most overrated aspects of a lens.
I mean, there are SO many people who are "all about the bokeh" as if photography was an abstract art. Well, it (99.99% of the time) is not abstract at all. Even though we "paint with light" and all of that.
I've seen so many garbage photos posted on this site (not commenting on this thread) over the years that have amazing bokeh, and are still garbage. In fact, I feel like when the topic of bokeh comes up, lots of garbage tends to get posted. Yes, good bokeh can make a killer photo look that much better, or smooth, or less distracted... but bokeh can't do anything for mediocre shlock.
I don't know if anyone remembers when one of our local "I'm all about the bokeh" folks was posting that image of the 85L shot wide open for a landscape... (Not that bokeh can't work in the right landscape, but if can't save an uninspiring one).
Individual clients, a la portraiture and weddings, don't know good bokeh from bad bokeh if it hit them in the face. And clients that can tell and care are even better-- because then they are willing to pay the real money to have you spend 15 second in PS fixing whatever problems they need fixed. Corporate clients don't generally know. Commercial clients do care, but when you're delivering a few images for tens of thousands of dollars per project-- PS is getting its hands all over those images at some point in the advertising campaign or whatever those images are going to be used for.
Good bokeh is a nice attribute in a lens, but not the end all. People should spend a little more time honing their craft than getting cranky over how a lens performs (This is not directed at the OP). 35Ls have a high resale value-- lose the lens and get something else that makes you happy.
Or, better yet, learn about the limitations of your glass and change technique accordingly. You wouldn't shoot an F/5.6 lens in the dark-- and if you don't like the bokeh of a particular lens under particular circumstances... don't shoot that lens under those circumstances and then complain.
Environmental portraiture has got to be one of the easier jobs to do, and one of hte more difficult jobs (in its class) to do really well.
Finally: websites like this (I happen to love this website) are filled with gearheads and people who get more caught up in having the biggest and best, the sharpest, the best bokeh, the most this or that... the reviews here, specially for lenses that someone has called lengendary at some point, are clouded by hive-think.
L-fever, the holy L trinity, blah blah blah blah-- meaningless.
justruss wrote:
Bokeh has got to be one of THE most overrated aspects of a lens.
Finally: websites like this (I happen to love this website) are filled with gearheads and people who get more caught up in having the biggest and best, the sharpest, the best bokeh, the most this or that... the reviews here, specially for lenses that someone has called lengendary at some point, are clouded by hive-think.
L-fever, the holy L trinity, blah blah blah blah-- meaningless.
ok russ, you make assumptions on who is responding... I guess by your numbers I am in the 0.001% since photography for me *is* an abstract art... studied as part of a fine arts program at the Chicago Art Inst., with art work shown in NY, LA and Chicago...
I'm certainly not "all about bokeh," ... good enough is good enough (always subjective), but bad bokeh can ruin photos IMO... and make a lens seem unreliable since you don't always have complete control over aperture and backgrounds.
>>Good bokeh is a nice attribute in a lens, but not the end all.
that is very true... but bad bokeh can ruin an otherwise well executed photograph.
>>Or, better yet, learn about the limitations of your glass...
yes, yes... that's great, but what do you do in the 28-50mm range with Canon glass? It's all pretty bad for bokeh...
mh2000, are you aware that clicking on your WWW button (Home Page) takes people to a pron site? I was trying to see some of your images with good bokeh.
This whole ridiculous thread prompted me to look through my 35L shots, just for curiosity's sake. I love the bokeh and I love the lens for many other reasons too. In fact, I retracted my sale here of my 35L because of this. So I suppose this thread helped me after all!
RyanFlynn wrote:
It isn't just the halo ... it just looks fake. There's no depth to it, the colors are muted, and it really just makes the photos worse, IMO.
And your comment about the subject was pretty immature.
There are plenty of different lens would give you good bokeh, if you're not happy with it then get a different one, or switch brand, simple as that.
Edited by demasoni on May 17, 2007 at 09:02 PM GMT
Phast1 wrote:
This whole ridiculous thread prompted me to look through my 35L shots, just for curiosity's sake. I love the bokeh and I love the lens for many other reasons too. In fact, I retracted my sale here of my 35L because of this. So I suppose this thread helped me after all!
You're not the first either. A friend of mine was going to sell his but when he went back and looked through all his shots he pulled his ebay auction. Hilarious.
demasoni wrote:
There are plenty of different lens would give you good bokeh, if you're not happy with it then get a different one, or switch brand, simple as that. as for the main subject...I call it as I see it, fugly people is fugly people, no amount of bokeh could salvage that.
I wasn't talking about the bokeh in the original pic, I was commenting on your PS editing of the bokeh. THAT is what looked flat and fake ... and really ruined the shot.
