I have to agree I'm disappointed too. I'm a 5D shooter and won't buy
a 1Ds MkII because I know 1Ds MkIII is ready. Would have to be a fool
to spend $7K on a 3 years old camera now. I just wonder how long
can Canon wait? Are they afraid of some strong moves by the competition
and have the answer ready right away? Or they don't want to steal any
of 1D MkIII's thunder? It just seems silly to have a camera ready and wait...
I'd be even more disappointed if they announce it in Aug/Sept and nobody
could really get it this year. Maybe they are producing it already to get some
stock ready right for the launch? I think that such a long wait plus the decision
to release 1D MkIII as a 10MP crop camera instead of 16MP FF/dynamic crop
version will put a strong demand on a new 1Ds MkIII.
But I'm quite sure it will be/it is a great camera
"It's so facile to step into any discussion about equipment and insert the same tired cliche regarding the photographer and equipment. But I doubt there's a photographer among us who doesn't strive in some fashion or another to improve their equipment to improve their final output."
Yeah! You tell em!
I always like to write, you're only as good as the weakest tool in your tool box.
Edited by BeeMan458 on Feb 25, 2007 at 11:37 AM GMT
i don't think anyone here feels "held back" by their camera bodies in regards to our photographic skills. i sure don't. it's the added convenience, features, and resulting raw image file quality that a new body would deliver for many of us.
if the 1D mkIII and 1Ds mkIII were priced at $900 and $1200 respectively (ie; much like film bodies), markedly less people would be arguing that you can take an equal photo with a cheaper camera. the fact that these are expensive bodies to the masses makes people complain ad nauseum. forget about prices for a second and ask yourself if the new bodies can make your job as a photographer easier in taking photos and in post-processing. if you answer 'yes' to both of these then you have the right to be disappointed in the interim until canon finally announces the 1DsIII.
besides, this is a gear forum where gear is discussed. the merits of a photographer's skill can be discussed in the various presentation and assignment forums here on FM.
i, for one, will be looking forward to the $8000 tax writeoff that my new 1Ds mkIII will be providing me this year.
brainiac wrote:
Only if you are a lithographer, not a photographer. A photographer needs to resolve colour and tone, not just lines. That's why one camera can apparently resolve more even though it has the same pixel pitch as another. It resolves the same number of lines, but more accurate tone and colour. To the human eye it seems to be resolving a whole lot more accurate information. Accurate information is what the eye wants in photos.
Then just be pratical, and see what is safe to assume...
- The pixel pitch is the same for both the 1DIII and 1DsII sensor.
- Both sensors are designed and made by Canon, on Canon designed and built lithography gear.
- Both cameras will have the same Canon know-how for Bayer to pixel interpolation, and since Canon didn't trumpet any major breakthrough in this regard for the 1DIII, that mechanism will be more or less the same as well.
- Both cameras belong to the same professional line of cameras, so the decision to go with a weak AA filter will likely apply for both.
Sum this up, and what do you get? Well, al things being, more or less, equal, the educated guess is that resolving power of the 1DIII and that of the 1DsII sensor will be more or less the same. Maybe err on the safe side and assume some evolutionary improvement, so a slight edge (HAH! ) for the 1DIII, resolve-wise.
Paul Schmidt wrote:
Uh, that really should be the 1DiV, as 4 in roman numerals is IV.... Although I expect that Canon will move to another naming scheme, with the next set of cameras, the 1D space is getting too crowded, and the designations getting to complex.
Altough I am a bit disapointed the 40D did not yet materialized and the number of new product introduced at the upcoming PMA is kind of low it is interesting to look at the canon marketing strategy (if any ?)
- The 30D did not sell as predicted so they will offer kits to reduce stock.
- Photog`s realized the pixel race is over and because the 30D was not a real upgrade to the 20D, a lot of happy 20D owner kept their 20D and will most likely jump on the 40D. There is a lot of 20D/30D owner ready to buy the 40D now and there will be definitly more in fall or next year. I think canon wants the next camera to be a ``revolution`` like the 20D was when it was intoduced so waiting 6 more months will just attract more customers
- The XTi sells good so and it is too early to upgrade it
- The 5D is a revolutionary camera and it has no competion yet so why releasing an upgrade ? Offer kits & reduce production price so....make more money!
- The1DMKIII is a bit of a surprise for me... but WOW what a beast! Canon must see a profitable market in there
- If you read what was on the photog`s wish list a couple of months ago you will find that most of us requested a better wide-angle zoom and the answer is the new 16-35mm f2.8 MKII. Eventhough it is an expensive piece of glass this lens will find a lot of buyers.
That being said I will join the troops waiting for the 40D as I am really into an upgrade for my slow 300D. Meanwhile..... happy shooting to all of us!
As a fine arts landscape photographer I constantly compete with medium and large format film shooters and I've been anxiously awaiting Canon's 1Ds upgrade.
Don't worry, I've read your original post. Hence my comments on simply shooting versus competing with MF.
besides, this is a gear forum where gear is discussed.
I agree and had the distinct feeling we were discussing emotions like disappointment here. Where's the gear in this discussion?
I happen to think, like the eloquent Mr. von Briesen, that the advent of this marvelous new camera bodes well for all of us gearheads. It's just that sometimes a bit of relativation is called for. Being disappointed that you have to shoot with a 1Ds MkII for maybe another half a year suggested to me a small intervention was needed
Never mind, I'll gladly take the 1Ds off your hands when the time comes...
As it relates to the nomenclature of inorganic compounds, only IV should be used. For example MnO2 should be named manganese (IV) oxide; manganese (IIII) oxide is unacceptable.
But I've learned the subtractive notation from eraly on and it also seems more logical to me...
As a fine arts landscape photographer I constantly compete with medium and large format film shooters and I've been anxiously awaiting Canon's 1Ds upgrade.
You could go buy a view camera & a scanner today if you wanted
OK, I will drop my 2 cents. Now that Canon released the 1d mk3, I see the rest of the story fairly predictable, with dust removal system generalized and better sensor (no more MP but better dynamic range and noise handling):
- 1 ds mkIII: to be annouced summer 2007. Same goodies as the Eos 1d mkIII, but say 20MP, 4fps, similar price to the current 1 ds mkII or slighly lower.
- 5D upgrade will not come before early next year at best (in the meantime, prices will drop to keep the sales up). Sensor will still be FF, 4fps, same MP (or only marginally better), single Digic III, dust removal system. Could see a new more rugged system.
- 40D. I feel Canon will be forced to release it soon (summer?) since 20D owners did not see much of a point to upgrade to the 30D and Nikon is doing well with its D200-D80 couple. Will still be 1.6x sensor, probably not a huge increase in MP, single DIGC III, dust removal, agressive pricing, and a few goodies to make it attractive.
- Probably no upgrade in the low end before next year.
D. von Briesen wrote: (BTW: very well put, what you said, Dan. Thanks. I can't help but envy your Grand Poobah Super-Digi MKX-S2-IIIb but then again how many of us can ever truly hope to own one of those!!)
Yes, it was a fine piece of equipment in its day. But now I just yearn for the new MKX-S2-IIIc.
Edited by danmitchell on Feb 25, 2007 at 08:00 PM GMT
Hm... I was at a local BestBuy today (NYC on Broadway, near Houston), and the 30D had a yellow price tag, instead of the white one, when I asked them about it, they said it meant it was discontinued, and after a bit of talking, I got the clerk to look it up on the computer to tell me that the replacement was called the "40D", and was due out in April. (They mentioned the 40D by name, I never said what I was hoping would be listed as the replacement)
Now I know that the BestBuy people don't know cameras much, and thats actually what makes it more possible, as their computers only let them check their own catalog/inventory information. I hope its correct, and if someone has a BestBuy near them, stop in and see what they tell you, it may match what I got told.
Paul Simon wrote:
OK, I will drop my 2 cents. Now that Canon released the 1d mk3, I see the rest of the story fairly predictable, with dust removal system generalized and better sensor (no more MP but better dynamic range and noise handling):
- 1 ds mkIII: to be annouced summer 2007. Same goodies as the Eos 1d mkIII, but say 20MP, 4fps, similar price to the current 1 ds mkII or slighly lower.
Assuming they follow suit, I think whatever the FPS is it will divide into 100MP, just like the 1D3. If the 1Ds is 20MP, it will shoot 5 FPS and I'll be all over that thing in 2 seconds.
- 5D upgrade will not come before early next year at best (in the meantime, prices will drop to keep the sales up). Sensor will still be FF, 4fps, same MP (or only marginally better), single Digic III, dust removal system. Could see a new more rugged system.
The 5d will change later this year. Part of the rebate fallout is inventory reduction and by September there will be a new announcement.
- 40D. I feel Canon will be forced to release it soon (summer?) since 20D owners did not see much of a point to upgrade to the 30D and Nikon is doing well with its D200-D80 couple. Will still be 1.6x sensor, probably not a huge increase in MP, single DIGC III, dust removal, agressive pricing, and a few goodies to make it attractive.
- Probably no upgrade in the low end before next year.
The 40d will be a 10MP 20d/30d with a few more bells and whistles and a D80 like price tag. It will continue to make a very good amateur camera.
XTi will go down in price possibly, or stay the same since it's far more camera than the D40 (which is such a low end camera Canon has nothing to compete).
kaitou wrote:
Hm... I was at a local BestBuy today (NYC on Broadway, near Houston), and the 30D had a yellow price tag, instead of the white one, when I asked them about it, they said it meant it was discontinued, and after a bit of talking, I got the clerk to look it up on the computer to tell me that the replacement was called the "40D", and was due out in April. (They mentioned the 40D by name, I never said what I was hoping would be listed as the replacement)
Now I know that the BestBuy people don't know cameras much, and thats actually what makes it more possible, as their computers only let them check their own catalog/inventory information. I hope its correct, and if someone has a BestBuy near them, stop in and see what they tell you, it may match what I got told.
Hmmm, while improbable, it's interesting news. I wouldn't be surprised if something so ironic as this is the way it "leaked". Perhaps it's worth checking with other BBs to see what they have to say.
flatdraft wrote:
i, for one, will be looking forward to the $8000 tax writeoff that my new 1Ds mkIII will be providing me this year.
-erik
I don't see 8K. Last year's model produces too good a product to warrant an additional 3K. I think they have ridden that 8K horse as long as they could have...
jamesf99 wrote:
Hmmm, while improbable, it's interesting news. I wouldn't be surprised if something so ironic as this is the way it "leaked". Perhaps it's worth checking with other BBs to see what they have to say.
Thank you, Thank you for sharing!!
I really think something is going on with all this "secrets" by Canon. I know I was told at Calumet in San Diego, 1 month or so ago, that the 40D would be out around PMA...the rep had just left the store that morning and let them know. They did not know the spec's or even seemed willing to go into conversation about the "new 40D".
Then about 3 weeks ago, I took a friend who wanted to buy the 30D, 50 1.4 in to the same Calumet....the sales person tried to tell her the XTI was a better camera and push her in that direction!! I think looking back now, they were sold out of the 30D and pushing the XTI? My friend ended up purchasing the 30D online from BH! So at the end of the day, I do believe the new 40D will come this PMA. I hope! Let's all keep our fingers crossedXXX
jamesf99 wrote:
Hmmm, while improbable, it's interesting news. I wouldn't be surprised if something so ironic as this is the way it "leaked". Perhaps it's worth checking with other BBs to see what they have to say.
Thank you, Thank you for sharing!!
I really think something is going on with all this "secrets" by Canon. I know I was told at Calumet in San Diego, 1 month or so ago, that the 40D would be out around PMA...the rep had just left the store that morning and let them know. They did not know the spec's or even seemed willing to go into conversation about the "new 40D".
Then about 3 weeks ago, I took a friend who wanted to buy the 30D, 50 1.4 in to the same Calumet....the sales person tried to tell her the XTI was a better camera and push her in that direction!! I think looking back now, they were sold out of the 30D and pushing the XTI? My friend ended up purchasing the 30D online from BH! So at the end of the day, I do believe the new 40D will come this PMA. I hope! Let's all keep our fingers crossedXXX
