Yes Canon are a pack of lily-livered bludgers and have obviously conceded defeat to the opposition. My god, what were they thinking when they announced the 1D III. Ha, we see through their smoke and mirrors and we say enough is enough. From this point forward we down our cameras and put our hands on our heads and hold our breath until Canon treats us with dignity and take seriously the threat facing us from the imperialist swine at Nikon and the lesser hell spawn.
... And there are two more 10 Mpixel competitors released/announced. Olympus E-410 and E-510, 4/3rd system, live preview, with the 510 having in-body IS. The E-410 is available right now, the E-510 will be available around june.
10 mpixel from a 2x crop sensor... Ouch. It is not a real surprise that ISO3200 isn't available for this sensor.
Canon won't go full frame for everything, as has been suggested, regardless of whatever Canon were trying to hype up at the time.
Just like Nikon folks who will tell you 'Nikon said... they were committed to DX only". Bringing in quotes made two years ago isn't quite realistic now is it.
Things change. By the way, there is no D3 at PMA. The guy who said it is on another website is a liar... "went to a Nikon seminar for sales reps.... and they had the camera partly covered in gaffer tape.... can't remember the FPS)". Yeah right. He forgot to mention it was hosted by the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy was the guest of honour.
I would have thought that a 300mm F2.8 with an E-510 would be very interesting proposition for birders (if some could... godforbid... get away from not having Canon equipment). High pixel density, 10 MP, Image stabilizer, and one hell of a sharp lens. Since birders shoot in the day, ISO 3200 isn't exactly that necessary. (Before I get 487 people show me photos of the bat they shot in a cave... I'm generalising).
nikt wrote:
I would have thought that a 300mm F2.8 with an E-510 would be very interesting proposition for birders (if some could... godforbid... get away from not having Canon equipment).
Yeah, but Olympus' 300 mm is - now I quote - 5699.95 $ from B&H, Plus it's not USM which is essential for birding. I think 500 mm f4 L IS USM is roughly the same prize.
FWIW I think the 300/2.8 with a high pixel density sensor could be a good "light weight" set up for birding. Ultimately though, for telephoto lenses of a similar quality and design the one with the largest front element will likely win in terms of reach. If we are near diffraction limited performance then the best angular resolution you'll ever get is around 1 um / front aperture diameter. So the 5" 500/4 should beat the 4" 300/2.8, and the 6" 600/4 and Sigmonster should similarly beat the 500/4 for ultimate long reach applications.
I would have thought that a 300mm F2.8 with an E-510 would be very interesting proposition for birders (if some could... godforbid... get away from not having Canon equipment). High pixel density, 10 MP, Image stabilizer, and one hell of a sharp lens. Since birders shoot in the day, ISO 3200 isn't exactly that necessary. (Before I get 487 people show me photos of the bat they shot in a cave... I'm generalising).
Hmmm ... I'm no birder, so I'm out on a limb here, but with moving targets and stop-robbing teleconverters in the mix, I can see how higher ISO (as long as it's low noise) is appreciated. It's often the case that the presence of usable ISO 3200 indicates nice low-noise performance some steps back down the ISO ladder.
But that's me just doing educated guesswork again
Whatever happened to the Nikon D3? I'd like to think of the recent D3 poster as a prankster, who conned a lot of people big time. That sounds better, through implication at least, than "liar".
Nikt wrote: "Canon won't go full frame for everything, as has been suggested..."
Actually, if I recall correctly, the claim was that Canon would eventually go FF for everything above entry level. I think most folks who anticipate a move in the FF direction at some point (and I'm among them) still expect that 400D class cameras will continue to use crop sensors for some time.
Nikt wrote: "Canon won't go full frame for everything, as has been suggested..."
danmitchell wrote:
Actually, if I recall correctly, the claim was that Canon would eventually go FF for everything above entry level. I think most folks who anticipate a move in the FF direction at some point (and I'm among them) still expect that 400D class cameras will continue to use crop sensors for some time.
Maybe eventually they will, but maybe just not as fast as everyone thinks. There were an awful lot of people here stating unequivocally the 1DIII was FF and, fortunately for me, those people were wrong. Canon may be starting to come to the realization that perhaps not all of their customer base in upper end models feels FF is a "must have", and in fact some just plain prefer a smaller sensor given a choice. Canon's plan isn't set in stone, and if they want to continue to appeal to as broad a user base as is possible, including several sensor sizes in their offerings seems to have just as much support as going to all FF.
Hammerli wrote:
Canon may be starting to come to the realization that perhaps not all of their customer base in upper end models feels FF is a "must have", and in fact some just plain prefer a smaller sensor given a choice. Canon's plan isn't set in stone, and if they want to continue to appeal to as broad a user base as is possible, including several sensor sizes in their offerings seems to have just as much support as going to all FF.
I have not seen an indication that Canon has ever felt otherwise. It seems to me they have been quite clear about their strategy to incorporate different sensor sizes in products for different audiences. Rumors to the contrary seem to be mostly speculation...
garyvot wrote:
I have not seen an indication that Canon has ever felt otherwise. It seems to me they have been quite clear about their strategy to incorporate different sensor sizes in products for different audiences. Rumors to the contrary seem to be mostly speculation...
This is considerably more than just vague rumour. Yes, it will take a long time, but the future will be full frame. Except for entry level dSLR.
Brian Worley, product manager of D-SLR cameras at Canon Europa, said that it's a long way before all EOS models will have a full size sensor, but Canon's aim is to equip all models, except the cheapest, with a 35mm sensor in the future.
The quote above is dated august 2005, made in context of the Canon EOS 5D introduction.
Now, I've not even read the specs yet on this D40X... but clearly Nikon wants to take more of the entry level DSLR market...
I can't help but wonder what Canon might still have up their sleeves, and/or if they will stick to their twice yearly announcements and really not announce any new DSLR stuff till August... or will they shoot back sooner then the fall?
Tentacle wrote: nikt wrote:
Whatever happened to the Nikon D3? I'd like to think of the recent D3 poster as a prankster, who conned a lot of people big time. That sounds better, through implication at least, than "liar".
Boy are you kind. "Prankster" sounds politically correct. And "liar" sounds like I need to take my own chill pill!
No D3 yet. I have my doubts that it will be FF. But hey, I don't care. If it does the 1.5x high speed crop (and a further 2x super crop) AND manages to fill the entire viewfinder with the new crop area, then I might pick one up myself.
DynoMoHum wrote:
Nikon takes another shot across Canon's bow... and/or introduces a upgraded D40, called the D40X, 10MP, MSRP $799 ncluding the 18-55 mm kit lens.
Now, I've not even read the specs yet on this D40X... but clearly Nikon wants to take more of the entry level DSLR market...
I can't help but wonder what Canon might still have up their sleeves, and/or if they will stick to their twice yearly announcements and really not announce any new DSLR stuff till August... or will they shoot back sooner then the fall?
And they just might do it. From popphoto.com...
"So if you want a tougher camera, or if you have a bagful of older Nikon AF lenses, spend $925 (street, body only) for a D80. If not, the D40x provides the best imaging performance for the buck you can get in a 10MP camera. Expect long lines at the camera store."
