jamesf99 wrote:
Why did you not like the camera? It's not something I want to buy either (unless it was $1k which will not happen for 5 years) but I think it's a great camera in all but two ways (low resolution and crop factor).
I find it amusing that 10MP is now "low resolution", and thank goodness Canon hasn't reached a point yet where we are all forced FF in all our bodies. If I could have only one camera, it would be a 1.3 crop body. Judging by what would appear to be unprecedented demand, it seems a lot of people aren't too bothered with the crop factor or resolution.
wtlloyd wrote:
I got my 1D2 for $4000 in April 2004 and never had a single problem with it. It was definitely from the first batch.
I don't really get this speculation about early adopters doing the field testing or paying a premium price to own the camera. The price won't drop much for 6 months to a year, and I proved to myself the best value is to get a new camera early and have the use of it for as long as possible before you upgrade. Why wait a year or more and buy something just before it's replaced? Seems a waste of technology dollar to me....Show more →
On numerous forums I've seen people ask over and over just what the problems with early Canon DSLR bodies have been, and in particular 1 series introductions. Oddly, no one has yet answered with any issues with one exception, which as I recall was a glitch with some certain brand and size of CF card; that was easily and quickly fixed with firmware. Oddly people always seem to want to bring up lenses to support their argument; uh, hello, we aren't talking about a lens here! So historically the "I'll let someone else get the new 1 series DSLR and beta test all the bugs out" is a moot argument.
I'm going on a cruise to Alaska in August, and I paid in full for my 1D III long ago as I started the list at my local dealer before it was even officially announced. I doubt I'll be thinking, as I take thousands of pictures with my "beta" 1D III, darn, I should have waited till I got back from our trip.
Edited by Hammerli on May 13, 2007 at 05:16 PM GMT
Early adopters carry the risk, - remember the Leica M8, the Canon 24 - 105 'heavenly flare' recall and the Canon 70 - 300 IS 'Portrait mode' recall. The new MKIII has no killer application that makes it a 'must have' right now, the majority who want to rush out now and buy it have formed an irrational emotional attachment to the new model and want bragging rights.
On paper the MKIII looks a very good camera and I will probably buy one eventually but there is no way I am rushing out to join this Mass Hysteria/feeding frenzy.
wtlloyd wrote:
I got my 1D2 for $4000 in April 2004 and never had a single problem with it. It was definitely from the first batch.
I don't really get this speculation about early adopters doing the field testing or paying a premium price to own the camera. The price won't drop much for 6 months to a year, and I proved to myself the best value is to get a new camera early and have the use of it for as long as possible before you upgrade. Why wait a year or more and buy something just before it's replaced? Seems a waste of technology dollar to me....Show more →
wtlloyd wrote:
I got my 1D2 for $4000 in April 2004 and never had a single problem with it. It was definitely from the first batch.
I don't really get this speculation about early adopters doing the field testing or paying a premium price to own the camera. The price won't drop much for 6 months to a year, and I proved to myself the best value is to get a new camera early and have the use of it for as long as possible before you upgrade. Why wait a year or more and buy something just before it's replaced? Seems a waste of technology dollar to me....Show more →
I agree. I bought the 1D2N at the end of Nov05 (first batch - had no issues), despite my earlier plan not to switch to digital until at least spring 06. Glad i made the switch when i did.
I also bought the xti the week after it was released (while on a tour of the southwest and tetons/yellowstone last fall. Had no issues with the camera, in fact it saved me when i ended up smearing my 1d2n sensor trying to clean it and i ran out of sensor swabs. I sold the xti, but not bcoz of camera issues, but bcoz i found the interface too different from the 1d2n and after shooting with 1 series cameras for over 6 years, it was too hard to deal with the ergonomic/interface/build quality limitations of the xti.
I sold my 1d2n the day after the 1dIII was announced, after being told that the 1dIII should be available at the end of march. Once it was delayed i bought a 5d (which will become my backup) and also sold the xti. I'm happy with the 5D, but i know that i bought into technology that WILL be replaced within the next year. But I had no choice after selling my 1D2N.
I think the earlier you buy, the earlier you reap the benefits of new technology. I held off on the switch to digital for the longest time - waiting for it to be more tried and tested and for the cost to come down. However, in the meantime, i think I lost years 3 or 4 years of post-processing and work flow experience.
I am by no means an early adoptor, howevever buying the 1DIII is not like buying into blu-ray or HD dvd. In the case of the 1DIII, it is an evolution of a an offering - not new un-proven technology.
For sure there have been recent cases where being the first in has resulted in some aggravation..think of the 24-105 L and 70-300 4.5-56.6 IS..in both cases you ultimately needed the lens replaced.That said the overall record is reasonably good and i tend to agree with the sentiment that waiting to buy the camera or lens after it has seen half of it's life as the current item is kinda silly...you pay your money and you take your chances
Huh? One of my Mark II's was one of the first sold in America and it has always been the equal in every respect of the second one I bought a year later. If fact I've never really paid any attention to which was which.
The very early software was red-challenged, but that's software.
I would define risk as using the new camera without a backup. Or maybe stuck with a lens Canon won't fix. I'm confident that Canon will make good any early adapter issues. This isn't like buying a new model automobile with an unproven reliability record. There is zero history of Canon not making good on early problems. Some people may feel the 50L belongs in the unfix edproblem category, but the verdict is still out on that one.
My approach has generally been to buy on introduction but skip some new models. I get the "thrill" of the new new thing but don't get in the habit of chasing every product. For me that is enjoyable without feeling frivolous. We all have our own approach, whether the equipment is for business or not.
He he, I said I would 'happily' pay 4500 for a 1DsIII because that would be cheap! I know it is gonna cost me a decent chunk more when it comes out initially.
As per 'buying when all the hoopla' is at its maximum or whatnot, I don't think people dropping this much money on a body are just buying because everybody else is. They are buying because it is a tool they want to use. Sure it might get cheaper a year later and you might avoid a bug in the firmware, but while you are waiting you will be missing out on some top notch performance. And for people in this segment, they want the best tool for the job, hence no problem being an early adopter and paying up for it.
If this one were what I needed, I would be all over it but I don't need high frame rates, I need full frame so I must wait for the 'Master' 1Ds MkIII' thread.
wtlloyd wrote:
I got my 1D2 for $4000 in April 2004 and never had a single problem with it. It was definitely from the first batch.
I don't really get this speculation about early adopters doing the field testing or paying a premium price to own the camera. The price won't drop much for 6 months to a year, and I proved to myself the best value is to get a new camera early and have the use of it for as long as possible before you upgrade. Why wait a year or more and buy something just before it's replaced? Seems a waste of technology dollar to me....Show more →
Exactly!
If your going to get your moneys worth the best way to do that is get one of the first ones released and use it during its life cycle. You average cost per day, month, or shot will be lower.
The when you upgrade and have to take a hit on the resale price at least you will have used it longer than the guy that bought it six months ago and has to sale it for the same price.
Hammerli wrote:
On numerous forums I've seen people ask over and over just what the problems with early Canon DSLR bodies have been, and in particular 1 series introductions. Oddly, no one has yet answered with any issues with one exception, which as I recall was a glitch with some certain brand and size of CF card; that was easily and quickly fixed with firmware. Oddly people always seem to want to bring up lenses to support their argument; uh, hello, we aren't talking about a lens here! So historically the "I'll let someone else get the new 1 series DSLR and beta test all the bugs out" is a moot argument.
I'm going on a cruise to Alaska in August, and I paid in full for my 1D III long ago as I started the list at my local dealer before it was even officially announced. I doubt I'll be thinking, as I take thousands of pictures with my "beta" 1D III, darn, I should have waited till I got back from our trip.
Edited by Hammerli on May 13, 2007 at 05:16 PM GMT...Show more →
I bought a 1D, 1Ds, 1DMKII, 1DsMKII, and 1DMKIIn when they were first released (Beta) and I never had a problem with any of them. This may hold true for some software products but I have never encountered a (Beta) version problem with a 1 series camera.
Hammerli...I'm with you. I paid my deposit Feb.28 and have been assured that I am no. 1 on their list. I could give a rats *ss as to wether my camera will have early production nerves or not, only how soon can I hold this baby in my arms, and get acquainted. As to the 1Ds111.....sounds great, but its not a reality. I'll probably get one of those when they materialise as well. I see it as depriving my heirs of an extra few thousand bucks that they would have NO problems spending. Remember, you cant buy these in heaven!
Well, acutally I seem to recall reading that the early original 1D had some "banding" problems, that I believe were fixed with a firmware revision? Or did they have to go back to Canon?
I'm using a 5D now, which I will keep after getting a 1D3, but BOY HOWDY! give me BACK my 1.3 Crop!!! I'm glad to have fullframe for the wide angle, but I mostly shoot birds.
I miss it terribly, along with the use of my 2.0 EX in autofocus mode.
I've put down a deposit for a mk 3 and am #3 on my dealer's wait list. Turns out that the first shipment for all of Hong Kong is only 40-50 pieces and there seems to be a lot of demand...
1Ds2 or 1D2 was losing images when the review button was pressed too soon. LCD screen would scramble and the camera would lock up. Probably was more common at ISO 1600.
1D and 1Ds had sensor issues with one 1/2 of sensor exposing slightly different than the other 1/2.
There were patches to "improve auto-focus" - read in between the lines on that one. ETTL-II had a patch or two also.
kevin Coppalot wrote:
...The new MKIII has no killer application that makes it a 'must have' right now, ...
It does if you shoot HS sports. I shot a state soccer final last week on a field so dark I had to resort to flash. The Mark III would have been very welcome there.
Of course, now that I didn't get it in time for the end of the spring season, I don't really need it till fall...
If your going to get your moneys worth the best way to do that is get one of the first ones released and use it during its life cycle. You average cost per day, month, or shot will be lower.
The when you upgrade and have to take a hit on the resale price at least you will have used it longer than the guy that bought it six months ago and has to sale it for the same price.
Jim
Actually it does not matter how long you have it, just how much you use it really. And for those that sold there 1D's already are missing out on 6 months of shooting while those that just waited calmly are still snapping away.
Just because they announce or release the MIII does not make the 1DM2,N non functioning or obsolete.
well... there is something to be said for pixel quality.... ok.. so 10mp isnt in the running for "amazing".... but the pixel quality IS... I was just looking at an ISO 6400 shot posted today at DPreview... and I was pretty impressed that it could show that kind of detail at 6400..... it might be aided by the 14 bit color... I dont know... or maybe the superior AF... but whatever it was... I want one!
