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p.39 #1 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


Everybody is telling you "The check is in the mail", maybe B&H is doing it right by not saying anything until they know. I can't imagine these places telling you about early deliveries, when they don't even know the price, that's my opinion


Mar 15, 2007 at 11:01 AM
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p.39 #2 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


Well I can see Calumet getting it before B&H because of size and international distribution. I don't think today though. The girl I talked to looked it up on their system and I asked her to double check with her manager.

Her phrasing was more that they hope to have final pricing this week but they all have the impression this is the final price for them and they were told by Canon they could have units in the main sales department in 3 weeks. I asked because I wanted to make sure if I was still on that 3 week mark or another 3 weeks after the first wave. I get a feeling that Calumet is eating up a lot of the first shipments.



Mar 15, 2007 at 11:07 AM
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p.39 #3 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


I agree and that was a similar response i got from my sales clerk in SF. Man i want this camera now


Mar 15, 2007 at 11:11 AM
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p.39 #4 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


Bruce Sawle wrote:
I talked to my local calumet in SF yesterday they said they were expecting a delivery on or around the 15th of this month.


I remember when the 1D MKII came out...then too it was a race between Calumet and B&H, but I happened to catch B&H as they came in stock ordered mine and then about an hour later...OUT OF STOCK.

My guess is that BOTH Calumet and B&H will get similar shipments.

Just a guess though.

Wally



Mar 15, 2007 at 11:18 AM
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p.39 #5 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


I want digic III (& 6400) on my XT.


Mar 15, 2007 at 07:16 PM
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p.39 #6 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


I got some hands on time with the MK3 this week, as well as the new 580EXII.

Some interesting features, to be certain, which most of you have no doubt read about, so I'll just talk a bit how the body feels in the hand.

There is a more pronounced grip lip under the shutter button that assists in supporting the camera along the first inch of the middle finger of the right hand.

The battery knob just twists and out drops the half sized battery, which is about the same size as the D2H battery. No more release button.

Moving focus points via the new toggle button was fast and immediate... as long as you are holding the camera in landscape. For holding in portrait, the toggle is a bit of a stretch for even the largest hands (of which mine are larger, with longer fingers, than most).

I'll admit that since so much of the camera is new, it was hard to absorb all the features and how they are activated and altered, but this was the first misstep I noticed... not having the focus point selector toggle accessible when in portrait/vertical mode.

There maybe another way to skin that cat, I just didn't learn it in the very brief time I had the camera.

The entire body is different... every piece. It looks the same, but the castings and everything is different.

The eyecup is retained more securely... very hard to flick off accidently now.

The menu systems are very interesting... the main dial moves selections up and down (without holding down a button), and the command dial changes the various menus across the top.

It was hard to get used to what button to press to display the pictures. I'm so used to always pressing display first. There is a little play button on the bottem left of the screen... and I don't think you have to hold it down to scroll through the pics, like we have to hold down select on the previous camera.

Another interesting thing is the discreet info button, where before we hit display and roll the command dial to info, now after hitting info, the dial scrolls to the various info screens... top screen, RGB/brightness histograms, etc.

Played with live preview. You can move the focus rectangle all the way to the corner of the screen, and then magnify that corner 5 and 10 times, verify focus, at that corner, and snap the shot. Very handy.

The MK3 can no longer have all 45 focus points active at once, like the MK2 can. This, according to the Canon rep who owned the camera I played with, is the trade off made in order to get 19 cross type focusers. Discussing this is beyond the scope of this hands on report though.

One very interesting ergonomic aspect is the new AF-ON button on the MK 3, which replaced the AF Home registration point button on the MK2. When holding the MK 3 in vertical mode, the AF-ON button more approximates it's positon in horizontal mode, whereas on the MK2, the AF Home registration point is in a completely different location between the horizontal and vertical grips. That has been my biggest gripe for the last several years.

I use the home focus point button a lot, and the vertical grip a lot, and it is a pain to have to stretch my thumb another inch downward when holding the MK2 in vertical mode just to reach the AF home button to quickly return the focus point to it's most sensitive selection (center).

On the MK3, this third button on the vertical side more approximates its postion on the horizontal side, not only in height, but in depth, in that Canon cast a little protrusion by this button (never noticed this in the pictures, but you can feel it real life) under this button that gives it a land that makes it even with the plus/minus buttons to the right.

This realignment of button positioning toward vertical grip consistency with horizontal grip is really great. BUT, the button no longer serves the same purpose! Now the home registration button is the back button focus button, and to get to the original home point, one must press the new toggle button, which is only reachable by the thumb when the MK3 is in horizontal mode.

A terrible oversight, in my opinion. I think a lot of the buttons can have their functions remapped to suit the photographer though, so before condeming this oversight entirely, more exploration of the customization features is required, which was hard to do in such a short period of hands on time with the body.

Overall, having now personally seen this camera, I'm not going to be the first to jump on the MK3 bandwagon. There really is too much that is too new to risk testing on my clients right away. I'm sticking with the tools that I know work, and that I know how to work.

The vibration cleaner, the 20 different lens calibration/compensation memories that actually changes the focus everytime you mount that particular lens (as long as it is not a duplicate lens of the same focal length but a different serial number) ... and other such new technologies that have the potential to alter the way the camera behaves... may need some street time to prove themselves before I change horses.

It will probably be another year before I hold a MK 3 again, but during the brief time I held it yesterday, it was interesting to see where Canon's future bodies might be headed.

In the words of the Canon rep, the production of this body offers the best evidence that the long hoped for combination of full frame with frame rates exceeding 8 fps will not happen in one Canon branded body for the time being.



Mar 15, 2007 at 08:06 PM
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p.39 #7 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


Thanks for taking the time to convey your thoughts on the MkIII. Very interesting comments. Sounds like a lot to get used to if you need to jump from a MkII to the MkIII pretty quickly. I think I will wait for a while.


Mar 15, 2007 at 08:28 PM
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Focus Locus wrote:
I got some hands on time with the MK3 this week, as well as the new 580EXII.

Some interesting features, to be certain, which most of you have no doubt read about, so I'll just talk a bit how the body feels in the hand.

There is a more pronounced grip lip under the shutter button that assists in supporting the camera along the first inch of the middle finger of the right hand.

The battery knob just twists and out drops the half sized battery, which is about the same size as the D2H battery. No more release button.

Moving focus points
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Awesome report and a question...

I too had wondered how to switch to a registered AF point with the 1D3. According to what I've read, pushing the joystick selects the center point (or if center is already selected, it selects all points).

But this doesn't explain what to press to return to a registered point. Custom function III 10 says "Switch to registered AF point," but the options are only disable or enable.

Also, when shooting vertical I wouldn't be able to reach the joystick with my thumb in a way that's even close to being comfortable (if that's how it's supposed to work).

I use this feature all the time with my 1D, so I really hope it's as convenient as it used to be.





Mar 15, 2007 at 10:44 PM
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p.39 #9 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


I've spent the week at school and a Canon rep was there - not sure his region, but PA and NYC are on it. He has opinions on many things....We were talking about local camera stores, and how they've vanished and local reps for kodak, fuji and even canon are disappearing as well. I hesitate to repeat what he says about calumet, but he did say about NYC " there's a whore on every other corner" - referring to mail order stores. He's a pip!

My instructor for the week, Michele Celantano, is an Explorer of Light and had a 1D mk3 and 580 EX2 for the past 2 weeks, for eval and to make some images for canon's ads..
Only 6 of these bodies are in the US at this time.

She shot a wedding last saturday with it (she's a 1DnMK2 user) and except for deciphering the custom WB she had no issues adapting to using it, or adapting it's CFn to her needs/style. She's a JPG shooter and uses the expo disk like crazy - the new body has 5 WB presets so that's something decidedly different.

She sent some of the wedding shots to Canon today for an ad that will appear soon.

And she had a slight mishap - the camera and flash and her 85 1.2 were on a tripod and got knocked over - the lens bit the dust big time - into three pieces, the lens mount is broken off the barrel. The camera cracked it's case (near the hotshoe mount) but finished the wedding, and the flash didn't break.

The canon rep spoke to our class after lunch today and it's nice to see the big picture - while busting a $2000 lens sucks, it's cheaper than the camera and you have other lenses handy, not often do you carry too many extra bodies. He did state that this is a good example of how robust the new body and flash are - and you could -i quote- 'it's so weather sealed now you could shoot underwater' - but I doubt he're reccomending anyone actually do that!

I'm a 30D shooter and thought the 1D line was too heavy, bulky and complex to be worth the extra cost. Having used the 1D mk3 a bit yesterday and today I have changed my opinion and want one!

It's sweeeeeet!

The canon rep says that canon puts new tech into consumer bodies/lenses first so more get out there for use and they can fix/improve any issues more quickly. He says to expect the sensor cleaner in all upcoming bodies, and of course DiGiCIII as well. The 1Ds replacement will no doubt be as feature rich, but lesser bodies (aka 30D) may have fewer features/custom functions - well, that was his answer when asked about multiple WB settings on future cameras.



Mar 15, 2007 at 11:48 PM
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ben_is_in wrote:
Awesome report and a question...

I too had wondered how to switch to a registered AF point with the 1D3. According to what I've read, pushing the joystick selects the center point (or if center is already selected, it selects all points).

But this doesn't explain what to press to return to a registered point. Custom function III 10 says "Switch to registered AF point," but the options are only disable or enable.

Also, when shooting vertical I wouldn't be able to reach the joystick with my thumb in a way that's even close to being comfortable (if that's how it's supposed
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That's the point I'm trying to make. With the third (leftmost) button now the "back button focus, there appears to be no way to quickly move to a pre registered focus point when using the vertical grip (ie, the thumb stretch to the focus toggle is too far).

I can confirm that when I pressed the toggle, the selected focus point returned to center. I did not change the home registered focus point to a point other than center, because my shooting style is such that I normally use a point other than center, but switch to home (the more sensitive center point) when the camera fails to focus using my normally selected point.

I see what you are asking... will pressing the toggle automatically return you to a registered home point that you preselected, if other than the center point.

Sadly, I didn't test that. I was still reacting to the fact that I cannot access the toggle when using the vertical grip.

Since this is a sports camera, and most athletes, unlike couch potatoes, are taller than they are wide, naturally it should be expected that the vertical grip might be used more often than the horizontal grip, or at the very least equally as often.

In my case, I use the vertical grip well over 90% of the time.

That's why I so much appreciate the realignment of the leftmost button to a place and depth that more approximates the ergonomically optimized horizontal grip.

It's too bad the focus selector toggle position was left off the vertical side.

However, being able to toggle between selected focus points does beat the command dial/ main dial madness with more immediacy.

Still, most athletes do their thing upright, not lying down.

Canon needs more vertical thinking, for a sports camera at least.

On the other hand, several buttons are reconfigurable in function, and thus there may be a way to reconfigure the * button in the MK3 to more approximate how it was used in the MK2. But I do not know this, as I was not able to find it quickly enough. I played with the camera without benefit of a manual, and I have yet to read the 60 page white paper or any reviews.

But even if the * button can be reconfigured, I'm not sure that the home registration function can be assigned to the AFON button.

It really is a new camera. Some will adapt faster to it than others. I suspect that I would be on the slower side of that spectrum.



Mar 15, 2007 at 11:56 PM
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p.39 #11 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


Focus Locus,
do I understand this right, it`s not possible to select each point ( no matter where that point is) with the joystick?
You said, it`s not possible any more to select all 45 points at once (as an area like on the previous 1 series). But the white paper says that is still possible like before!??!

Stefan



Mar 16, 2007 at 07:51 AM
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p.39 #12 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


No, you can't select all 45 points. You can only select the 19 that are cross-type high-precision sensors. Which is fine with me. I only hope that you can set it up so that spot-metering is tied to the AF point you choose. Which is how I did it on the 1D-II, anyway. This limited you to 11 (or was it 13?) points on the 1D-II.

45 is way too many to actually choose from, IMO.



Mar 16, 2007 at 09:44 AM
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p.39 #13 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


The way I read the white paper, you can select ALL of the 45 points but you can not select each of the 45 points. What this means is the "AF points can be automatically selected by the camera from among the 45 points." P19 of the Canon White Paper

If you want to manually select a particular point you are limited to 19, but I don't think that 19 is really all that limiting to many people.



Mar 16, 2007 at 10:01 AM
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p.39 #14 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


does anyone know what Calumet had listed as the availability date for the 1DmkIII earlier this week or last week.

Currently, they are listing shipping as being 6-13 days. I'm just wondering if this has been updated on a regular basis, or the shipping estimate listed is what was there since the camera was listed.

I did note that the price listed is still an estimated price.



Mar 16, 2007 at 10:31 AM
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p.39 #15 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


That is an update, it was 1-3 weeks this morning... not much of an update but still an update.


Mar 16, 2007 at 11:31 AM
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I don't think the "update" really means anything.

I just called Calumet and was told by the sales rep that at this point, they have no idea when the camera will be released.



Mar 16, 2007 at 01:45 PM
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p.39 #17 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


Focus Locus wrote:
But even if the * button can be reconfigured, I'm not sure that the home registration function can be assigned to the AFON button.


Well, I can only speculate as well, but my deduction from reading the CF menus is that one will be able to make the AF-ON button select the home registration point.

As was mentioned, C.FN III, #10 simply states enable or disable "Switch to registered AF point", which by itself has little meaning. Coupled with C.FN IV, #1 however, which allows disabling the AF-ON button as relates to metering/AF start, I'm assuming those two in conjunction mean the 1DIII can be set-up like other 1D series allowing the same button to be used in both orientations for registered AF point.

Of course I could be completely wrong, but I hope that is the case as that's how I want to use it.



Mar 16, 2007 at 02:16 PM
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Hammerli wrote:
Well, I can only speculate as well, but my deduction from reading the CF menus is that one will be able to make the AF-ON button select the home registration point.

As was mentioned, C.FN III, #10 simply states enable or disable "Switch to registered AF point", which by itself has little meaning. Coupled with C.FN IV, #1 however, which allows disabling the AF-ON button as relates to metering/AF start, I'm assuming those two in conjunction mean the 1DIII can be set-up like other 1D series allowing the same button to be used in both orientations for registered AF point.

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Ok, I don't want the af on button to be used for returning to a registered point, because I will be using the af on button to focus. I need one of the other 2 buttons in the vicinity to be used for the returned to registered option.




Mar 16, 2007 at 02:47 PM
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DavidP wrote:
No, you can't select all 45 points. You can only select the 19 that are cross-type high-precision sensors. Which is fine with me. I only hope that you can set it up so that spot-metering is tied to the AF point you choose. Which is how I did it on the 1D-II, anyway. This limited you to 11 (or was it 13?) points on the 1D-II.



C.FN I #7 on the 1DIII is Spot meter link to AF point and gives two options, Disable(use center AF point) or Enable(use active AF point).




Mar 16, 2007 at 03:02 PM
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ben_is_in wrote:
Ok, I don't want the af on button to be used for returning to a registered point, because I will be using the af on button to focus. I need one of the other 2 buttons in the vicinity to be used for the returned to registered option.


I can't see in the CF menus where that is possible, which of course doesn't mean it isn't. I think with adding the multi-controller to allow going to central home, perhaps they felt that was an acceptable solution. I know for me, my hope is that means I can register a point to be accessed with the AF-on button (such as far right middle for use in portrait), and have the center point registered with the multicontroller for landscape, so the two AF points I use most I can directly toggle between. Doesn't help you it sounds like, but maybe you can set it up your way as well.



Mar 16, 2007 at 03:08 PM
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