JON VAN DAAL wrote:
There has been a lot of hype about Canon releasing a 100-400 /f4L IS. I have used the f5.6 version of this lens but it seems hard to obtain consistent sharp results under a range of lighting conditions.
That would not be an easy lens to hand hold, since it would probably weigh at least 6 lb. I think a large part of the appeal of the current 100-400 is the versatility. For me a lens that absolutely requires a tripod eliminates much of that versatility. While I don't hink we'll see it next month, I'd really like an update to the current 100-400 with the 4 stop IS, closer min. focusing distance and a rotating zoom mechanism.
JON VAN DAAL wrote:
There has to be something long and exciting on the horizon.
I think you are right; it seems a lot of unaffiliated places have posts about something new and long.
I think we are also going to see a 10MP update to the 1D IIN rather than a 1Ds III right now. It has also been suggested that Canon may be making the next 1Ds III with interchangeable grips, which I've seen mentioned elsewhere, and would seem to have some credibility.
JON VAN DAAL wrote:
There has been a lot of hype about Canon releasing a 100-400 /f4L IS. I have used the f5.6 version of this lens but it seems hard to obtain consistent sharp results under a range of lighting conditions. I have been holding off buying one but need something longer for a shoot next weekend. While asking about what they had on hand I asked my CPS man if he had heard anything about a f4 version coming out - sadly he said no. One of my favourite lenses was the FD 150-600 f5.6 lens which had a little gearbox on the side that you pulled back that had so much more controlability than the current 100-400 which can be super stiff or super loose. There has to be something long and exciting on the horizon....Show more →
Jon, a couple of things. First, no way is anyone related to Canon going to admit to any exciting new technology in a casual conversation with a customer, when nobody else on the planet is talking. Never going to happen. Second, I've heard that there is supposed to be a big meeting with Canon reps in the next couple of weeks, and the speculation is that new products will be revealed to them at that time. (Not that a CPS rep is the same as a salesman)
Either way, I certainly wouldn't hang my hat on a CPS man's "no" this early in the game. If he did know something, and it got out that he told you? He'd likely get canned and/or sued for violating company policy.
Chris Hauser wrote:
If Canon doesn't show us a new 1Ds Camera at the PMA than even Lecia will be faster with their new R10D coming out :-P
I never had thought we could see a new Leica before a new Canon ^^
Don't worry, you will definitely see a new Canon at PMA - it is just won't be a new 1Ds, that's all.
Problem is Juan, when have you EVER seen a thread stay on topic. One thing leads to another. Someone says, "I heard Canon were going to make a camera with an expresso coffee machine", and then someone states why Canon won't because of technical reasons like "testing shows that if you put an ECM too close to the chemical 'R814' it will cause cancer.
Chemical R814 is the stuff used in hair gel. Some photographers may lose their livelihood if they can't use their hair gel. So the debate starts. Nope, keep it all together. The only real information we should worry about is announcement time. This, is for entertainment, and to discuss rumours, wants, technologies, hair gel chemical substitutes.
Joel Slack wrote:
Jon, a couple of things. First, no way is anyone related to Canon going to admit to any exciting new technology in a casual conversation with a customer, when nobody else on the planet is talking. Never going to happen. Second, I've heard that there is supposed to be a big meeting with Canon reps in the next couple of weeks, and the speculation is that new products will be revealed to them at that time. (Not that a CPS rep is the same as a salesman)
Either way, I certainly wouldn't hang my hat on a CPS man's "no" this early in the game. If he did know something, and it got out that he told you? He'd likely get canned and/or sued for violating company policy. ...Show more →
One aspect of which I am certain is that talking "out of turn" by a Canon employee may "redefine" that employees career. It appears to have been particularly difficult for Canon to get some of its western sales and marketing people to shut their mouths. Imagine getting the message across in 50 languages. Canon has probably now standardized on American explicatives - directives directly translated from Japanesse sounded like mild suggestions. Swearing in British just sounds cute. Italian would have been an excellent choice, but the Japanese would never go for all the hand waving that is apparently required.
Anyway, terrific new stuff is certain Timing won't be certain until just before the allowed disclosure time. I believe Canon's preference is to have the 1Ds replacement first - lead with the flagship. But they could have technical reasons this didn't work out. They do actually have to make this stuff in volume.
I will predict the following :Fall" means last fall. 'Medium Format' means directly competing in quality with MF backs, not a 645 sensor. It will also be a new 'system approach' - more mix and match than discreet models. For example, a slightly different grip for each model is wasteful for Canon and the user.
10DFT wrote:
I think that simply identifying the lens, focal length, and aperture would be all that's needed. The camera could have a database of all the necessary information in firmware, updatable when new lenses are introduced. In terms of barrel distortion and light-falloff, a Canon 16-35/2.8 is a Canon16-35/2.8 is a Canon 16-35/2.8 - all copies possess roughly the same characteristics.
Yeah, the olny robust part of the lens identification thing is doing the processing for jpegs. But that's all in camera. No way they are putting in the capability to correct generic lenses. They may power the mount, however, so that unrecognized lenses fall off the camera onto concrete There is a new hard surface detector on the bottom of the camera.
The TV technology is SED and it is still in the pipeline because Canon had to take over a joint venture and make it wholly owned due to a lawsuit over intellectual property. Expect SED sets at any time.
I read the first 30 or so pages of this thread when it started. Then I read a page or two at a time, every few days. I'd love to see a different thread dedicated purely to info pre-PMA. Such as odd web-sites, stuff supposedly heard from inside sources, etc. Leave the other stuff in this thread and out of the new thread. How much space has been used by people arguing about what Canon "should" do? IMHO, that may belong in this thread, based on what its evolved into, but again - it would be nice to have somewhere on FM where someone could get the netted out rumors.
Anyway - I talked myself into buying a 5D last night (I've been going back and forth on a decidion to get a 30D, 5D, or to wait for PMA to get the next version of either one). Anyway, I went to the beach camera site to buy it just now and its no longer listed there. What does that tell us?
Maybe I'll call them later today.
Jack Balthasar wrote:
I read the first 30 or so pages of this thread when it started. Then I read a page or two at a time, every few days. I'd love to see a different thread dedicated purely to info pre-PMA. Such as odd web-sites, stuff supposedly heard from inside sources, etc. Leave the other stuff in this thread and out of the new thread. How much space has been used by people arguing about what Canon "should" do? IMHO, that may belong in this thread, based on what its evolved into, but again - it would be nice to have somewhere on FM where someone could get the netted out rumors.
Anyway - I talked myself into buying a 5D last night (I've been going back and forth on a decidion to get a 30D, 5D, or to wait for PMA to get the next version of either one). Anyway, I went to the beach camera site to buy it just now and its no longer listed there. What does that tell us?
Maybe I'll call them later today....Show more →
Congrats on settling on what camera you want. The 5D seems to be going cheap in a lot of places, which some say is a sign it is about to be replaced - I would have thought replacing the 30D was more urgent, and the 1 series is overdue, but what do I know?
Have fun if you do get a 5D.
Regards,
DaveMart
dcmiller wrote:
I believe Canon's preference is to have the 1Ds replacement first - lead with the flagship....
I agree, with the number of 22MP+ digital backs being released and Canon's challenge to assert itself in the market again, it seems logical to see a replacement flagship 1Ds at PMA, at least that is my hope.
While I was in the market for a new 1Ds2 in September last year, I held off because of Photokina. I will hold off again until PMA. While normally one can grow tired of posts such as "should I buy a 400D or 30D (budget £1000 or less), a 5D or a 1D2N (budget £1500 - £2400), because a show is coming up" I will be the first to stand up and reply "buy what you want now and shoot, who cares what is coming up at the next show" however, when considering the 1Ds Mark 2, the current cheapest price in the UK is still £4500!!!!
This completely different price brings you into a whole new area of thought, especially for those of us who don't make their primary income from photography. It isn't even about the comparison of 16.7 mega pixels versus whatever the new flagship will have, 22 or so, it purely comes down to cost and at this price I don't want to buy into such an expensive product very close to the end of its life.
I would be very curious to know what the sales curve of the 1Ds Mark 2 looks like over the past 6 months......
Jack Balthasar wrote:
I read the first 30 or so pages of this thread when it started. Then I read a page or two at a time, every few days. I'd love to see a different thread dedicated purely to info pre-PMA. Such as odd web-sites, stuff supposedly heard from inside sources, etc. Leave the other stuff in this thread and out of the new thread. How much space has been used by people arguing about what Canon "should" do? IMHO, that may belong in this thread, based on what its evolved into, but again - it would be nice to have somewhere on FM where someone could get the netted out rumors.
Anyway - I talked myself into buying a 5D last night (I've been going back and forth on a decidion to get a 30D, 5D, or to wait for PMA to get the next version of either one). Anyway, I went to the beach camera site to buy it just now and its no longer listed there. What does that tell us?
Maybe I'll call them later today....Show more →
Yes, it would be nice if people did things the way we want. But strangely, people post what they are interested in. I've kinda gotten used to the daily fight in this thread, too.
I was ready to buy the 1DsIII after photokina too.
Historically, many people were somewhat shocked and disappointed at the D30. Clearly not a camera aimed at professionals. The lesson I take from this is that Canon will do what it needs to do. They weren't even ready to use their own CMOS chip in the original 1D. The ideal first home built DSLR would have been a 1D cmos.
Looking at the five 1 series Canon DSLR, Canon clearly is only going to release a very solid product. In contrast, look at the D30 to 30D line. With those cameras they are doing incremental upgrades to create a periodic buzz in the market.
What I am not expecting in 2007 is a true 1DsIII. By that I mean the bigger LCD and a somewhat larger more modern sensor. Canon could have done that last year. The clerical staff for Canon engineering could have done that last year. I will buy that camera if that's what comes out. But that camera doesn't explain the rumblings in the industry. When one hears an elephant approaching, the expectation is not to see a chipmunk appear at the gate.
I wonder what a three billion dollar R&D budget can produce?
dcmiller wrote:
Historically, many people were somewhat shocked and disappointed at the D30. Clearly not a camera aimed at professionals. The lesson I take from this is that Canon will do what it needs to do. They weren't even ready to use their own CMOS chip in the original 1D. The ideal first home built DSLR would have been a 1D cmos.
Looking at the five 1 series Canon DSLR, Canon clearly is only going to release a very solid product. In contrast, look at the D30 to 30D line. With those cameras they are doing incremental upgrades to create a periodic buzz in the market.
I wonder what a three billion dollar R&D budget can produce? ...Show more →
If for PMA dates Canon is not presenting new models with enough improvements over the present line ("no incremental"); I have to start thinking seriously about that Canon has problems with finishing the designs & send them to the production lines.
It will be the only plausible explanation to this delay .... and the competence is starting to win market share.
Alistair101 wrote:
While I was in the market for a new 1Ds2 in September last year, I held off because of Photokina. I will hold off again until PMA. While normally one can grow tired of posts such as "should I buy a 400D or 30D (budget £1000 or less), a 5D or a 1D2N (budget £1500 - £2400), because a show is coming up" I will be the first to stand up and reply "buy what you want now and shoot, who cares what is coming up at the next show" however, when considering the 1Ds Mark 2, the current cheapest price in the UK is still £4500!!!!
This completely different price brings you into a whole new area of thought, especially for those of us who don't make their primary income from photography. It isn't even about the comparison of 16.7 mega pixels versus whatever the new flagship will have, 22 or so, it purely comes down to cost and at this price I don't want to buy into such an expensive product very close to the end of its life....Show more →
The problem with your way of thinking is that you're forcing your values on someone else. To someone else, $2500 is a lot of money. Especially an amateur, like yourself.
I have put an order for a 5D in with B&H (along with $4k in other equipment). I've also had them hold it until February 15, so it'll ship on the 16th or so. I'll receive it about the 20th, giving me until March 6 to return it to them if a replacement comes out. Then I'll have to decide between a $2200 5D and a $3k replacement (if one comes out).
I like keeping my options open as long as possible. And $30 can be a lot of money to some people, Alistair.
I never had thought we could see a new Leica before a new Canon ^^
There is a new hard surface detector on the bottom of the camera.