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p.45 #1 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


I knew this would degenerate into kitty pictures. ;-)

ALF



Dec 21, 2006 at 08:25 PM
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p.45 #2 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


@F1.4:

http://71.111.160.110/lens/amy_s02.jpg
http://71.111.160.110/lens/nina_s01.jpg

Edited by myy001 on Dec 21, 2006 at 07:37 PM GMT



Dec 21, 2006 at 09:04 PM
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p.45 #3 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


Hi katiedis,

Congrats on the new controversial lens!

Since these photos are small we cannot tell about the IQ, but they appear sharp at this size.

BTW, nice photo of the little girl....and I even like the kitty...and I am not a cat fan!

Can you tell us your first impressions and how you feel the new lens will compare and fit into your collection of other lenses?




Dec 21, 2006 at 09:17 PM
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p.45 #4 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


I never try to get caught up in debates that are 110+ pages long (particularly where only about 10% of those posting actually have the actual product and can give useful input), but figured I'd chime in.

After chatting with Gary one day, I placed a pre-order with Pro Photo at their special price. The price is very good for an initial release product and figured what the heck. One day last week when checking to see when it would be in, it turned out they had a couple of the shelf. I lucked out and they pulled the last one from the shelf to fulfill my pre-order. Well, it arrived this evening. I restrained myself from opening up the box the second I walked in, as I was honestly more excited about a print order of mine arriving from WHCC and I wanted to see the prints first (crazy but true).

So, I opened up the box a short time ago, and figured let me test it out on my favorite scurrying subject, my 11 month old daughter, Lauren, who is now all over the place. She's been quite a challege for my 85 (and even my 50/1.4) as I often shoot photos of her indoors, low light, no flash, etc.

First observance, as others have noted: Excellent build quality (as should be expected). This is the baby 85L, only it actually moves it's glass a bit faster. Not blazingly fast, but consistent, which is a welcome feature.

I blew through about 75 shots real quick, using my MK2, shooting AI servo, focusing on her eyes, but not working it real hard. Pretty much, point, focus, shoot. Out of 75, 38 gave me in focus images with adequate sharpness. Compared to my 50/1.4 its a little bit improved as far as focus consistency, speed; and sharpness is real nice at 1.2, with expected improvements as you stop it down (sorry, didn't take it to 2.8, simply only went to 1.6 which was fabulous). When using flash assist or an STE2, I can see this number going way up, as I've observed with other similar lenses.

Truth be told, this is not a lens for everyone. If you are someone who likes to own the best, and can afford the pricetag, then obviously your mind is likely already made up. If you are someone who'd be willing to spend 1100 on a lens like this one year from now, then quite honestly the other 400 now, won't break the bank and you might as well get it. If you use a 50 enough, it can likely pay for it's difference in several shoots, and if you are willing to wait another year for the price to drop, then its obvious, its not a need, its a want.

In fact, first thing I thought was "why didn't this arrive yesterday" as I had a real low light shoot in a church last night and this would have been a nice bonus. If you are a hobbyist that doesn't make a dime off photography, save youself a bunch of dough and work your way through several 1.4's in order to find a nice sharp one and you'll be 95% satisfied.

As for the steep pricetag, whether its worth it or not, only each potential buter must decide that for oneself. Drastic increases in price for marginal performance improvements are the way it is with many things in life, cars, houses, electronics, and cameras are certainly part of that.

Since I have both the 1.4 and the 1.2 (and have access to a 1.8) I may spend a few hours Saturday testing between the three at various distances, subjects, apertures, etc. In the meantime, here is one of my daughter at 1.2, ISO 800, 1/200th.

http://www.pretedesign.com/data/images/gallery_images/user_id_10/HG9Q2799.xxl.jpg



Dec 21, 2006 at 10:42 PM
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p.45 #5 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


eeprete wrote:
In the meantime, here is one of my daughter at 1.2, ISO 800, 1/200th.


Ed
Thanks for the review and beautiful photo of your daughter. I too have the lens and am happy with it but have refrained from entering the wrangling. Please post more of your photos with the 50L.



Dec 21, 2006 at 11:25 PM
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p.45 #6 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


alfarmer wrote:
I knew this would degenerate into kitty pictures. ;-)

ALF


Yea, but that is a great kitty picture!



Dec 21, 2006 at 11:29 PM
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p.45 #7 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


Ha! Kitty picture, I didn't even think about that.

Trust me, I never thought it would be ME to post a photo of my farking cat. Especially today after he peed on $500 worth of luggage and clothing. I'd rather shoot him. Literally. Shoot him.

Anyways...the lens is solid. Well built. Same weighty L feel. Which I really like. I like to feel weight in my hands, I've got the 5D + battery grip and feel too light with the 50 1.4 on front.

Well, what I was looking for was something that would be companion to my 85 1.2L. Wanted the same look, bokeh, etc. Wanted it for low low light situations. Love the vingette on the full frame.

What my 85 was lacking was the shorter focal length. And, I am quite happy with the minimum focal length on the 50L. It also gives me wider angle obviously. It seems to be just what I was looking for.

Now...as you look as my gear list, you'll notice I'm a lens lover. I love a quality lens, I'll pay for speed, focus, and build. So, I might not be your average buyer in that I seldom let price dictate my lens purchase (or at least in the under $2K market). I've bought cheap "half-way, almost-what-I-want" lenses before and always regretted it. So, I never do that anymore.

I think I will like this lens. I will take some getting used to. The focus seems fine to me...no worse, no better than my 85. But, I also never did any formal testing of my 85 either.

My uses primarily are for paid sessions for families and kids, weddings, and of course...my own kids and family.



Dec 22, 2006 at 12:18 AM
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p.45 #8 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


I too am very happy with the 50L. It is sharp wide open and can focus well in low light. I am taking it (and the 24-70/2.8) for a trip to China next week.

Cheers
- Henrik



Dec 22, 2006 at 12:32 AM
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p.45 #9 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


Just to add to the mix, here's a simple center sharpness test.
The full frame, at f/1.2:
http://www.jlpx.com/FM_forum/1.2full.jpg
Here's a series of center crops, labeled by f/stop:
http://www.jlpx.com/FM_forum/1.2crop.jpg
http://www.jlpx.com/FM_forum/1.4crop.jpg
http://www.jlpx.com/FM_forum/1.6crop.jpg
http://www.jlpx.com/FM_forum/1.8crop.jpg
http://www.jlpx.com/FM_forum/2.0crop.jpg
So far, it works for me.



Dec 22, 2006 at 12:40 AM
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p.45 #10 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


I decided. Im going to keep my 1.8 lens and get the 50L. I'll use the L for portraits (since thats what it should be best used for) and for the shots I need sharpness- use the 1.8 lens. Looking on the previous link and looking at the 1.4 and 1.8 compared against each other, the 1.4 actually looked softer then the 1.8. So that tells me they are not far apart really. I'll be happy with this decision. Hopefully they will iron out the QC problems by the time my copy arrives.


Dec 22, 2006 at 12:44 AM
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p.45 #11 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


braxus wrote:
I decided. Im going to keep my 1.8 lens and get the 50L. I'll use the L for portraits (since thats what it should be best used for) and for the shots I need sharpness- use the 1.8 lens. Looking on the previous link and looking at the 1.4 and 1.8 compared against each other, the 1.4 actually looked softer then the 1.8. So that tells me they are not far apart really. I'll be happy with this decision. Hopefully they will iron out the QC problems by the time my copy arrives.


You're kidding me, right? You're going to make that decision off of one test? Even after it's been shown over and over again that a lot of these guys don't know how to test equipment? As far as I'm concerned, there's one test people should look at if they want an "object" assessment, and that's William Castleman's. He's the only well respected "objective" lens tester who's made an assessment that I would trust.

http://www.wlcastleman.com/equip/reviews/50mm_1.2L/index.htm



Dec 22, 2006 at 09:16 AM
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p.45 #12 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


Photon, those images just look really sharp. Did you use any sharpening in the postprocessing?

While on the subject, why is it that everyone else's photos always look sharper than mine (taken with the same lenses)? It must be some kind of sharpness-envy or something. Anyone else feel this?

Photon wrote:
Just to add to the mix, here's a simple center sharpness test.
The full frame, at f/1.2:
So far, it works for me.




Dec 22, 2006 at 10:33 AM
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p.45 #13 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


CMOS wrote:
Photon, those images just look really sharp. Did you use any sharpening in the postprocessing?

While on the subject, why is it that everyone else's photos always look sharper than mine (taken with the same lenses)? It must be some kind of sharpness-envy or something. Anyone else feel this?


The raw images were converted in ACR, using my typical settings for the 1DMk2, i.e., a sharpening setting of 50. That's a fairly high setting (it runs from 0 to 100), but the Mk2 requires it (IMO) for any lens, including the 85L and 135L. There was no post processing other than cropping, adding the text (aperture) and jpeg conversion (quality 70) for web. No USM after the raw conversion, and of course the center crops are 100%; no resizing.
Shooting technique:
Tripod, mirror lockup, self timer.

Castleman's tests are so thorough and consistent that I see little point in putting up the battery of tests that I ran comparing the 1.2 and 1.4 lenses, but I have one point to make that I hope will "register" and be considered by some folks:
Shooting at relatively close range with a flat target, I agree that the 1.2L is softer in the corners than the 1.4. However, I suspect that this is partly due to curvature of field (i.e., curvature of the plane of sharp focus). I found that when the corner area of the frame is itself focused carefully, the resolution even at f/1.2 is surprisingly high, and at 1.4 it exceeds what the 1.4 lens can do.
The only practical application I see for this corner performance would be in a situation where I'm shooting a far off center subject, preferably a static one, and I want very limited DOF. Otherwise, corner performance really matters primarily in landscape and architecture (though it can matter in a portrait where clothing texture is important), and the f/1.4 lens excels at this in the aperture ranges that are useful for these subjects.
I bought the 50/1.2L for exactly what it is. I wanted that kind of wide aperture in that focal length. I don't expect to be selling it! I may sell some of my slower lenses, though probably not the 50/1.4...



Dec 22, 2006 at 11:17 AM
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p.45 #14 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


Photon said: I bought the 50/1.2L for exactly what it is. I wanted that kind of wide aperture in that focal length. I don't expect to be selling it! I may sell some of my slower lenses, though probably not the 50/1.4...

Could you please elaborate why you are keeping 50 f/1.4? I understand that you are saying that 50 f/1.2L is consistently better.

Thank you.



Dec 22, 2006 at 12:02 PM
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p.45 #15 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


Jess, I wasn't aware there was ever a curvature in the plane of focus??


Dec 22, 2006 at 12:04 PM
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p.45 #16 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


So throw my 2 cents into the mix, I just can't see forking out $1400 to purchase a lens that buys you slightly improved low light performance, a slightly better bokeh, while being less sharp at the corners and demonstrates worse chromatic aberration at the corners as well. Many of the subjective reports out there seem to report that the bokeh isn't the special quality possesed by the 85 f/1.2 L or the Leica Noctilux f/1.0. The 50 f/1.4 is a very capable and excellent lens in its own right, used with fondness by some professionals that I know, and the price difference does not seem justified.




Dec 22, 2006 at 12:14 PM
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p.45 #17 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


Plus the 50 f/1.4 is so much more portable!


Dec 22, 2006 at 12:15 PM
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p.45 #18 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


"You're kidding me, right? You're going to make that decision off of one test? Even after it's been shown over and over again that a lot of these guys don't know how to test equipment? As far as I'm concerned, there's one test people should look at if they want an "object" assessment, and that's William Castleman's. He's the only well respected "objective" lens tester who's made an assessment that I would trust. "

Ive heard for years the sharpness between the 1.4 lens and 1.8 lens are very close. The one site proved that to me. Ive also read about every thread on the new 50L and Im aware its softer compared to other 50s at f2 and above. But for portraits that will be ok. If I need a sharp lens I can switch to the 1.8 lens I already have.


Edited by braxus on Dec 22, 2006 at 09:46 AM GMT



Dec 22, 2006 at 12:35 PM
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p.45 #19 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


braxus wrote:
Ive heard fpr years the sharpness between the 1.4 lens and 1.8 lens are very close. The one site proved that to me. Ive also read about every thread on the new 50L and Im aware its soft. But for portraits that will be ok. If I need a sharp lens I can switch to the 1.8 lens I already have.

The 50L is not soft. It is very sharp.



Dec 22, 2006 at 12:40 PM
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p.45 #20 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


I was actually refering to its performance from f2 and above. All tests seem to say its not quite as sharp as the other 50s in that regard.

So use one lens for portraits and low light use, and the other for scenics, other items.



Dec 22, 2006 at 12:42 PM
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