fredmiranda.com
Login

Moderated by: Fred Miranda
  New fredmiranda.com Mobile Site
  New Feature: SMS Notification alert
  New Feature: Buy & Sell Watchlist
  

FM Forums | City, Street & Architecture | Join Upload & Sell

1       2       3              28              30              124       125       end
  

Archive 2006 · Mustang Air to Air

  
 
ScaryFox
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.29 #1 · Mustang Air to Air


JWilsonphoto wrote:
Hi Ute,

You're very sweet, but I've followed your work and you have an excellent eye. How did you come about shooting air to air?

Jim

Thanks, Jim. I am a pilot myself and we often fly somewhere with a whole gang. On this occasion I was the passenger and had my hands free to take photos.
Ute



Jan 17, 2007 at 01:45 AM
sunkistzzang
Offline

Upload & Sell: Off
p.29 #2 · Mustang Air to Air


These are amazing shots.

Do you have an online gallery or website to check out?



Jan 17, 2007 at 02:34 AM
Tom Radford
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.29 #3 · Mustang Air to Air


Wow, amazing imag!! i have always loved, classic American aircraft!
I noticed the picture below in one if the early posts. Has this been printed on the front cover of a book? I swear I have seen in it before on a book called Spirits in The Sky which is a book of amazing photos of classic aircraft. I cant find my copy, but Im sure that photo is in it.

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/message.php?Action=downloadfile&FileID=168180



Jan 17, 2007 at 09:18 AM
JWilsonphoto
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.29 #4 · Mustang Air to Air


Hi Ute,

I had no idea you were a pilot. We are kindred spirits in several ways. I have begun teaching my Grandaughter Gracie to fly, she seems to be a natural. Her favorite plane in the stable is the T-6, but she's fond of them all.

JW



Jan 17, 2007 at 11:32 PM
JWilsonphoto
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.29 #5 · Mustang Air to Air


Hi Jason,

Thank you! My website is www.jimwilsonphotography.com You can get a pretty good idea of what's available by following the 70 or so pages in this thread, then multiply that times 1,000 or so, that's my stock collection. Most of the images are available for limited edition display prints.

JW



Jan 17, 2007 at 11:42 PM
JWilsonphoto
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.29 #6 · Mustang Air to Air


Hi Tom,

Glad you are enjoying this thread. Many of these images have been published in and on books, calendars and magazines around the world. I still get a kick out of walking by a news stand as I'm travelling and having one of my images catch my eye on a cover. I guess it's like a singer hearing their song on the radio, only without the big check!

JW



Jan 17, 2007 at 11:58 PM
Corky170
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.29 #7 · Mustang Air to Air


You are a lucky fellow. These are shots we all dream of shooting. Thanks for shareing them.

Corky



Jan 18, 2007 at 12:06 AM
JWilsonphoto
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.29 #8 · Mustang Air to Air


Hi Corky,

Thanks! As I have said numerous times in our thread, I don't forget that for a moment. I'm just wrapping up an assignment in Southern California and heading back to Big D in the a.m. Today was interesting, we experienced balmy sun, rain, and snow within the same 60 minute period. Goodnight to all my FM Buds as the sun sinks into the Pacific.

JW

Edited by JWilsonphoto on Apr 08, 2007 at 02:56 PM GMT



Jan 18, 2007 at 12:55 AM
jbear2000
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.29 #9 · Mustang Air to Air


Nice sunset Jim! Someting we don't get much of in hill country are sunsets... not like what we used to see in the great plains and at the ocean. Speaking of great plains - I took your tip to look up Paul Bowen's website and then ordered a couple of his Air to Air books. i've since loaned one to a friend of mine who is showing it to his "customers". (patients - he's a dentist).

Which brought up a few comments like "hey - so and so is a pilot... maybe you'ld like to shoot a few of those yourself"

So - without giving away the farm on your seminar - any basic tips you could share? Equipment, Lens length, air to air distance, safety...

thanks!
oh - btw - in the Air to Air books it looks like Paul married a girl my wife used to know. small world!



Jan 19, 2007 at 02:14 PM
JWilsonphoto
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.29 #10 · Mustang Air to Air


Hi Jbear,

Paul is a great guy and, as you can see, an exceptional photographer. Go back through this thread and you'll find where I discuss "so and so is a pilt" and which direction to run when thos ewords are spoken. Seriously, I use a very seasoned crew and we still consider air to air a very dangerous proposition. I could tell you stories about numerous people who thought "it can't be all that tough, certainly we can do it" and it was their swan song. Just one incident involved a newly re-engined and restored DC-3 (you wouldn't think that would be too tough to spot!) and an A-36 Bonanza photoship and photographer (all unexperienced but willing to learn). The experience lasted a very short time and no one returned. That is not at all uncommon. Sure, you can go up with a friend and shoot air to air where the subject plane is the size od a cork in the ocean and your chances of coming back are pretty good. It becomes the moth to the flame syndrome, you could get that killer shot if you both were just a bit closer, it would be great if we could roll into a 45 degree bank for a shot or two. It is somewher in ther that one or more of the parties involved exceeeds their skill level or loses concentration for a moment and aluminum and bodies are falling out of the sky. I hate to throw cold water on this idea but I'm telling you that we have hundreds and hundreds of hours doing this and all my people view it as deadly serious, and when I see that one doesn't, we are finished flying.

JW



Jan 19, 2007 at 11:15 PM
JimmyChoo
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.29 #11 · Mustang Air to Air


I've been lurking on and following this record-breaking thread since page 1; and I must come in and back what Jim is saying. It can never be over-emphasised how serious air-to-air photography is. Basically it is dead serious formation flying. One doesn't ask for tips on how it is done and in a twinkle get into 2 airplanes and try it out. I just doesn't work that way.

The handling pilot in each airplane must have a thorough understanding of what formation flying is about. Each must have received proper training and acquired substantial experience in formation flying before one would choose them for air-to-air. In short if I'm to be in one of the airplanes for aerial photography, the 2 pilots must be known by me. Even recommendations from someone else may not be good enough for me - how would I know based on what someone else says?

If the pilots are professional enough, before going out on each sortie they would spend time briefing the how's, what's, when's and where's of the flight, heights and speeds included. And as a conclusion but not least of their briefing they would discuss emergency procedures peculiar to formation flying, repeating things which they already know but nevertheless need reminders of.

The pictures posted on this thread are really beautiful and inspiring, but they give a false sense of security, in that they make it look as if it is easy to take such pictures of airplanes in flight. If you're a good photographer taking such pictures may be easy, but you've got to have good pilots.

This is just to share a little insight on the seriousness of formation flying.

Just my 7dollars and 47cents worth - JimmyChoo



Jan 20, 2007 at 03:29 AM
jbear2000
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.29 #12 · Mustang Air to Air


Fantastic! The one thing I have noticed in this incredible thread was that there wasn't much mention of the seriousness of what you guys do. Sorry I lured you into having to post something with my general questions. I was thinking there had to be a number of people with that lttle bird in their ear thinking - "maybe I can do this".
As Martin Luther once said: "You can't stop a bird from flying over, but you can keep it from building a nest!"

As for me... my dad worked for Boeing and Cesna most of my life. While he worked for Cesna he always said "don't ever get into one of those buckets". I think he was over-reacting to things he saw on the job and that in reality their QC is top rated. He was a cynic and a skeptic at best though and the thought has stuck with me... and keeps me out of the air.
I did take one trip in a Cesna 210 from Wichita to Atlanta with a very good jet rated pilot who worked for Cesna. He and his wife, and my wife all had an incredible flight down here - stayed for a great weekend - and then flew to Newnan to pick up another pilot and his wife for the trip back. We were stuck in the air when a severe thunderstorm closed in around us and every tower we contacted said - "keep going - you're better off up there than trying to land down here." That was just west of Birmingham and we weren't cleared to land anywhere until Fort Smith, Arkansaw.

The older more experienced pilot said he hadn't flown through anything like that since he flew though a tornado on assignment. We were flopping and bouncing all over the place - hitting pockets and getting thrown around like a paper airplane. The whole time remembering what my dad said about flying in small planes.

That was my LAST flight in a small plane and that was over 20 years ago. I'm happy to stay with my feet planted firmly on the ground! I'm too old to be a daredevil.

Thanks again for making a good warning to all of us reading your incredible thread!



Jan 20, 2007 at 10:29 AM
JWilsonphoto
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.29 #13 · Mustang Air to Air


Dear JBear,

On the one hand I'm not going to pull any punches on the rigors and experience required in air to air work, I'll have to swing the other way on your hereditary impressions of general aviation. I think you can glean from our thread that I am a fairly gentle spirit and not generally given to undue criticism. That being said, your Cessna 210 pilot was an idiot and you're fortunate that his stupidity didn't kill you and your wife. I've been flying for 36 years, with time in everything from WWII, antiques, business jets, and helicopters, never, not once, have I poked my (or anyone else's) in anything approaching what you described. Those kinds of weather phenominon don't just pop up out of nowhere and it's a pilots job to know where the potential for them lies and to not be anywhere near there.

Flying is a funny thing. I am not a daredevil and I have lots of wonderful blessings in my life that cause me to do all I can not to hasten it's conclusion. I try to keep any ego, (some hutzpah is necessary to cause you to think you can propel yourself down a concrete ribbon in an aluminum creation and launch into the air) at the airport boundary. Some pilots look at weather, mechanical challenges, stretching fuel reserves and the like as contests between themselves and the aircraft, those are the ones you eventually read about, and the ones that help form the impressions of general aviatiion your Dad held.

GA pilots tell people all the time that flying is safer than driving. There are a number of caveats to that clichet. It is if you're on a scheduled air carrier on a main route (not commuter) and not in a third world country. If you are speaking about general aviation the truth is flight in that context is 8 to 10 times more dangerous than driving. If you dissect that statistic you can readily see that it still can be a very safe activity because the number one cause of GA aircraft coming out of the sky before their intended destination is one that is easily preventable, that would be running out of gas! The next big category is the one you experienced, pilots flying from good conditions into bad ones with either themselves or their aircraft being ill prepared or equipped for the conditions. JFK, Jr. is a prime example of that syndrome. While no violent weather was involved, he was not instrument rated nor qualified (though his aircraft was very much capable of safely navigating the conditions), he lost visual reference and as the FAA statistics prove, lost control of his aircraft minutes later. Then there's events like the NY Yankee's pitcher and INSTRUCTOR! Who made GA look so dangerous by doing just about everything dumb they possibly could. The next category of causes is mechanically related and the stats are relatively small there and can be reduced greatly by responsible maintainance procedures.

So, if you take flight seriously and avoid the pitfalls described above, it's really an amazingly safe activity. I was reared by a mother who had agorophobia and about every other phobia, many days a trip to the mailbox might as well have been a trip to the moon for her. It's difficult to be reared in an environment like that and not absorb some of the irrational perspectives that you heard and witnessed. Don't let things like that limit what you personally can experience and accomplish in your own life. The things I have learned about myself, the beauty I have been blessed and privileged to witness, the experiences I have been able to share with others over the past three decades makes any minimal risks inherent in aviation seem very, very small.

If you think you'd like to sample the experience again, pick someone conservative and responsible, go in a well maintained aircraft and begin, at least, on a pristine morning or evening with moderate temps and light winds, it'll be a whole new experience.

All the best!

JW



Jan 20, 2007 at 11:33 AM
JWilsonphoto
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.29 #14 · Mustang Air to Air


Hi Jimmy!

Thanks for chiming in, your perspective is right on the money. Hope you've enjoyed the pics and dialogue, I sure have.

JW



Jan 20, 2007 at 12:23 PM
Bryan Martin
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.29 #15 · Mustang Air to Air


Nicely said Jim. I tried to get people flying and theres nothing worse than hearing "uh, I went flying once and we bounced around like a rag doll" I almost give up on them because its so hard to undo what some stupid pilot has done. You dont introduce someone to horseback riding by entering them as a constant in the bronc riding contest at the local rodeo. In my 29 years of looking out the cab windows I've seen some bad decisions and I expect I'll see plenty more. Actually, I think the small planes are more forgiving than some of their pilots. Like a timex watch, I've seen some interesting landings and the plane came out with a smile, the pilot... not so much. I trust who I fly with and we have no problem saying " NO, not today".


Jan 20, 2007 at 12:58 PM
JWilsonphoto
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.29 #16 · Mustang Air to Air


HI Bryan,

Exactly right! I miss ya. Let's grab lunch soon. Been great flying weather huh?!

JW



Jan 20, 2007 at 06:13 PM
jbear2000
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.29 #17 · Mustang Air to Air


JIm,

thanks for your insight and willingness to share it with gentleness and respect. too often forums like these can turn into a session of talking down to each other and you have set as high a standard for communicationg as you have in your photography. It is obvious your faith has made an impact in your life. thank God for this gift!

I will say though - my short narrative didn't really give my pilot due justice - nor the older piolet that we picked up in Newnan. Craig spent most of the day Sunday talking to the weather people and the authorities (i don't know what you call them) at Peachtree/Dekalb airport and then again down in Newnan when we picked up the other guy. It was beautiful and clear when we left Atlanta and we knew there were two thunderstorm cells west of us. But everyone he talked to assured him that the storms would not meet and there would be an open window that would more than adequately allow our flightplan and time restrictions to get us through. Things changed in the hour or so between Atlanta and Birmingham. The first hint of trouble and they were on the radio looking for a place to put her down. Each tower for the next 1/2 hour or so said we were OK and that the weather was going south of our flightpath. When that changed - it was too late - we were better off up than trying to land. Maybe we shouldn't have taken off in the first place. Maybe Craig was an idiot. But he was jet rated, and that obvioulsy includes IFR. So was the older guy who had flown for over 40 years. So - I can agree there may be decisions I didn't understand that may have been questionable and I might not have made. In any case I take comfort in the Lord and know we are in His hands and not one hair will be harmed if it isn't in His plan. I prefer a soveriegn God to any lesser god who isn't intersted in the details of our lives.
... and if He wanted us to fly... we would have grown wings
just kidding.
I used to be able to get into Flight Safety and fly the sims. Pretty cool. Even when I crashed - I still walked away... that's my kind of flying!



Jan 21, 2007 at 08:55 AM
JWilsonphoto
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.29 #18 · Mustang Air to Air


The TBM 700 is a rocketship and first class transportation.

JW



Jan 24, 2007 at 12:37 AM
Noah Barfield
Offline

Upload & Sell: Off
p.29 #19 · Mustang Air to Air


I'm just stunned--they're all wonderful!


Jan 24, 2007 at 01:58 AM
JWilsonphoto
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.29 #20 · Mustang Air to Air


Good Morning Noah,

Thanks! I'm glad you are enjoyed our thread. I've got a number of assignments coming up that should bring some fresh content. I'm shooting for Mooney next week and have been asked by Vertical Magazine to join their great photographic group. The prime, and I mean prime shooter for Vertical is a buddy of mine, Dan Megna. He's a tremendous guy and an incredible talent. You'll enjoy his images, www.danmegna.com

JW



Jan 24, 2007 at 08:42 AM
1       2       3              28              30              124       125       end




FM Forums | City, Street & Architecture | Join Upload & Sell

1       2       3              28              30              124       125       end
    
 

Welcome back
Log in to your account