Bill: The 25mm Zeiss brings up the 28mm frame lines (a big disadvantage IMO). This is confirmed on Sean Reid's site during his review of the Leica 24mm and Zeiss 25mm. 21mm lenses have no frame lines built into the M cameras, so you will need an external finder. The 21 may bring up a frame line, but it won't be useable regardless.
Best
Dave
Guy Mancuso wrote:
Anyone tell me how the 90 apo F2 is compared to the 75 F2 apo. Same , different bad or worse. Too long to big . need some advice on this one
Guy,
Send me your 75mm and I will do the comparison between that and my 90mm . I think they are about the same in IQ, and the 90mm M is quite a bit smaller than the R version of the same lens and the 75mm is even smaller than the 90mm M. According to the specs, the legth of the 75mm and 90mm is 66.8mm and 78mm, respectively while the diameter is 58mm and 64mm, respecitively. The weight difference between the two is around 50gr.
In addition, the 90mm, although a tad on the short end for my taste, is a great focal length for prtraits on the film M.... Oh, you don't do film anymore .
Guy Mancuso wrote:
Anyone tell me how the 90 apo F2 is compared to the 75 F2 apo. Same , different bad or worse. Too long to big . need some advice on this one
Guy, I have both and on the R-D1 I find the 75 a bit easier to focus and frame.
It's also a bit smaller and lighter, not much but sensible.
Optically they are both outstanding, with the 75 being slightly more "clinical"; it has a great 3D look, but probably for portraits I'd prefer 90.
The 75 though focusses closer (0.7m vs 1m), allowing tighter framing.
The R-D1 doesn't have framelines for anything longer than 50mm hence it's easier to guess the framing with the 75mm than with the 90mm.
It's also 1.52x crop, so basically the 75 on the R-D1 acts like the 90 on the M8.
I bought also the 135 Apo, which is amazing but frustrating to use on the R-D1 since it's quite difficult to focus... even with the 1.3x magnifier I seldom get the correct focus...
I'll wait to get the M8 to make my final choice about the 135, but I'm thinking to sell the 90 AA to get the 90/4 with the macro adapter.
In really can't imagine selling the 75...
t_streng wrote:
I think the hard part will be to not destroy the simplicity of the M8 with a shelf full of lenses.
Couldn't agree more.
I have many lenses now, but this is only to help choosing the few right ones I will keep once I'll get the M8.
1: 28/2, 50/1.4
2: 21/2.8 (or 24/2.8), 35/1.4, 75/2
Sadly it's difficult to choose a 2 lenses setup using some of the 3-4 lenses setup...
If I'm going to get the 21 and 35 'lux, it'd be quite difficult to get also the 28 summicron.
And with set n.2 I don't need the 50/1.4.
I believe in the old 35mm film classic set of 28, 50 and 100. This translates on the M8 as 21, 35 and 75 (or perhaps 90). The question for me isn't so much focal length as which 21, 35 and 75/90? Zeiss or Leica 21; Zeiss, Leica or CV 35 amd 1.4 or f:2? and 75 cron or 90 cron (Apo or pre) or CV APO Lanthar. Would also probably include a 50, Planar or Summicron? or Summilux, Asph or preA? CV Nokton? It is all very confusing...
Agreed on the 21, 35 and 75 combo.
For me it would be 21 asph (or ZM 21 to save some $$), 35 'lux asph and 75 Apo.
Add the Noctilux 50 and the great inexpensive CV 15 and you are set for anything in the 20-100 mm range (35mm film speaking).
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