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p.20 #1 · Re: M8/ I committed


This is slightly off topic. A day or two ago I won the bid a 50mm lens off ebay, but my seller did not specify the shipping costs. So I used the message feature of ebay asking for the total cost, with shipping. I am not getting a reply. What is the etiquette here? Wait some more? I don't want to seem like a deadbeat, but the lack of seller reply is troubling. Also, I don't want my failure to pay to reflect adversely on me.


Oct 19, 2006 at 11:35 AM
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p.20 #2 · Re: M8/ I committed


Be the first to leave negative feedback. Was it a reputable seller? if so, his e-mail may be down, his wife may have coopted him to take her away for a long weekend or whatever. Or -if not reputable- somebody else made him a better offer outside e-bay, which won't do HIS reputation any good.


Oct 19, 2006 at 12:04 PM
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p.20 #3 · Re: M8/ I committed


Guy Mancuso wrote:
As he saying goes more value equals more money , I cannot agree more.

It is a cheap price for us to pay.


Couldn't agree more. Don't let Sean see me writing this, but the solid quality and thoughtfulness of the reviews has a much greater value to me than the low price. He also participates freely in open forums like this one and elsewhere with real contributions. I like and support his model for benefiting himself from his very professional level of effort.



Oct 19, 2006 at 12:17 PM
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p.20 #4 · Re: M8/ I committed


sreidvt wrote:
Hi Joshua,

All I know is that end of November is still the target time frame.

All,

BTW, I don't have a shoot scheduled for next weekend (10/28 & 29) so I'd be happy to meet up with people somewhere near SE VT. I can't get together a big shin-dig but we could meet for lunch somewhere and play with the M8. Again, not a big production event but something easy.

Maybe at an inn in Vermont? I have some friends/clients who own an inn in Chester, VT and another in West Dover, VT. There's a little foliage left here and the colors
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Sean- I'd be very tempted to join in on this, I hope you can arrange something. Thanks for thinking about it! best...Peter



Oct 19, 2006 at 12:21 PM
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p.20 #5 · Re: M8/ I committed


stevme wrote:
This is slightly off topic. A day or two ago I won the bid a 50mm lens off ebay, but my seller did not specify the shipping costs. So I used the message feature of ebay asking for the total cost, with shipping. I am not getting a reply. What is the etiquette here? Wait some more? I don't want to seem like a deadbeat, but the lack of seller reply is troubling. Also, I don't want my failure to pay to reflect adversely on me.


Give him a couple of days. He may be out of town, he may be selling lots of items. Just send him another message telling him you are ready to pay and just need the shipping cost. What's his feedback like?



Oct 19, 2006 at 12:35 PM
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Guy Mancuso wrote:
It is a cheap price for us to pay. I have done many many tests and it is hard work


I agree and that's why I just did... It is not the money but I just needed the push



Oct 19, 2006 at 12:47 PM
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Gerry Szarek wrote:
Must resist Sean, must resist, steady, steady, I have hockey to pay for my son, syncro swimming for daugther, need to paint the house..... HELP ME.

Gerry watch your back! I see Mr. Mancuso behind you ready to push you on the slope! He's just looking for another victim and he may have found one in you!



Oct 19, 2006 at 12:56 PM
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p.20 #8 · Re: M8/ I committed


Hey Guy! You sound familiar from RFF. I'm patiently - not- awaiting my M8 from Tony Rose at Popflash. Lenses on R-D1s and R3a now and ready to go. The buzz re the M8 is incredible since Photokina. Can not wait - hardly. Steve


Oct 19, 2006 at 01:01 PM
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sreidvt wrote:
No, it is going to go up in price a little as I'm producing twice the amount of content I expected to when I started.

I better get in on it now, then!



Oct 19, 2006 at 01:14 PM
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p.20 #10 · Re: M8/ I committed


You'll have to start then, Guy, once you get your M8 - You do realize it is a rangefinder?


Oct 19, 2006 at 01:21 PM
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Ok, for those of you wondering, including me, here is the skinny on those Leica lens names, taken from http://www.overgaard.dk/leica_index.html Bet you don't know where the "M" comes from . . . .
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APO
stands for "apochromatically corrected". In most lenses, optical design concentrates the focus of blue light and green light into a single plane, but red light falls slightly into another plane of focus. Red subjects, therefore, would be ever so slightly out of focus compared to blue and green subjects in the same frame. Not sure you'd ever notice though, the difference is so slight. This is the same basic principle that requires you to shift the focus for infrared photography, related to the wave length of red light. In APO lenses, the design and expense has been put in to making red light focus on the same plane as blue and green. Under a microscope you would see that all light subject is now in focus, creating a sharper image overall. Many manufacturers offer APO designs, but in most of these only the very center of the lens is APO corrected. Leica prides itself on making most of the frame APO correcte.

ASPH
… stands for "aspheric design". Most lenses have a spherical design - that is, the radius of curvature is constant. These are easy to manufacture by grinding while "spinning" the glass. This design however restricts the number of optical corrections that can be made to the design to render the most realistic image possible. ASPH lenses, however, involve usually 1 element that does *not* have a constant radius of curvature. These elements can be made by 1) expensive manual grinding, 2) molded plastic, 3) Leica's patented "press" process, where the element is pressed into an aspherical ("non-spherical") shape. This design allows the manufacturer to introduce corrections into compact lens designs that weren't possible before. Practically, the lens performs "better" (up to interpretation) due to increased correction of the image, in a package not significantly bigger than the spherical version.

There is another Aspherical lens manufacture technique: an uneven coating layer is applied to a spherical lens. The coating is thicker on the edges (or on the center, depending). Canon "Lens Work II" calls these "simulated" aspherical lenses. Simulated and Glass-Molded (GMo) asphericals show up in non-L Canon lenses, while the L lenses have actual ground aspheric elements.

Elmar
Refers to the maximum lens aperture - here f3.5 . Historically derived from the original 1925 50mm f3.5 Elmax lens, which was an acronym of (E)rnst (L)ieca and Professor (Max) Berek, designer of the original lenses. Later that year the 50mm f3.5 Elmar superceded the Elmax, which was discontinued due to its complexity and high cost of manufacture.

Elmarit
Refers to the maximum lens aperture - here f2.8 . The name is obviously derived from the earlier (and slower) "Elmar" designation. Not every f2.8 lens is called an "Elmarit" though, the most obvious current exception being the 50mm f2.8 Elmar-M collapsible lens which for nostalgia and marketing reasons has kept the original 1930's Elmar name (the 50mm f3.5 collapsible Elmar, manufactured 1930-59, was one of Leica's most famous and popular lenses).

Hektor
Refers to the maximum lens aperture - usually f2.5 . The name was apparently taken from the name of lens designer Professor Max Berek's dog(!).

Leica
A compound word derived from " (Lei)tz " and " (ca)mera ". Apparently they were originally going to use "LECA", but another camera company already used a similar name in France, so they inserted the 'i' to prevent any confustion.

M
(as in "M3", "M6", "M7" etc.)
… stands for "Messucher", which is German for "Viewfinder". The "3" in M3 was chosen because of the three bright line finders for the 50, 90 and 135 mm lenses. Later the numbers of the M cameras were more or less chosen to follow each other.
"Meßsucher". It is always correctly written with the "ß". There are technically not three "s", rather the "ß" and one "s" because it is a word constructed by the combining of two precise words.
M-body evolution in chronologic order:
M3 - MP - M2 - M1 - MD - MDA - M4 - M5 - CL - MD-2 - M4-2 - M4-P - M6 - M6 TTL - M7 - MP.

MP
Stands (also) for Mechanical Perfection.

Noctilux
Refers to the maximum lens aperture - here f1.0 . "Nocti" for nocturnal, "lux" for light.

RF
(R)ange (F)inder - the mechano-optical mechanism which allows M Leicas to focus.
Alternative meaning - RF is also shorthand for Hexar RF , Konica's motorised "M-lens-compatible" rangefinder camera released in 2000.

Summarit
Refers to the maximum lens aperture - here f1.5 . Presumably the name is a derivative of the root "Summicron" name in the same way "Elmarit" was derived from the slower "Elmar".

Summicron
Refers to the maximum lens aperture - here f2.0 . There are many guesses how this name came about, the most popular being that the "summi" came from "summit" (of lens performance) while the "cron" came from "chroma" (ie. for colour).

Summilux
Refers to the maximum lens aperture - here f1.4 . "Summi" for "summit of performance" (same root as "Summicron"), with "lux" added for "light" (ie. the enhanced light gathering abilities).

Telyt
Lens nomenclature - short-hand for " telephoto "

Credit:
Thanks to www.nemeg.com for definitions.

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Steve



Oct 19, 2006 at 01:40 PM
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Guy Mancuso wrote:
My 75 f2 just showed up from HK. have you heard me say small before. Focuses really nice.

Cool, maybe mine will show tomorrow.

My 50 LTM adapter showed today, but I wasn't around to sign for it... So can't use the Summitar yet.



Oct 19, 2006 at 01:43 PM
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p.20 #13 · Re: M8/ I committed


So, Steve, why is the 50/2.8 an Elmar and not an Elmarit?


Oct 19, 2006 at 01:53 PM
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Mark Norton wrote:
So, Steve, why is the 50/2.8 an Elmar and not an Elmarit?

Because the early Elmar 50/2.8 (Tessar?) predates the Elmarit name, and the lens didn't get renamed until it was redesigned?



Oct 19, 2006 at 02:04 PM
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p.20 #15 · Re: M8/ I committed


A lot of good stuff on reidreviews. I'm not too fond of the R-D1 myself, but having shot it enough to be familiar with it I can see what the results would be like with a DMR. And I assume the M8 will be a lot closer to the DMR than the R-D1. (If not, I probably won't keep it.) I'm really looking forward to lens comparisons on the M8!



Oct 19, 2006 at 02:50 PM
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Those Zeiss lenses are definitely on par with their Leica counterparts. The scary part is that they could pull it off for quite a bit less money. I am not too thrilled about the C/V lenses. They are decent and can be had for even less money but I would rather pay a more and go for the Zeiss if I didn't have the Leica lenses already. Just my opinion from reading other's and not only Sean's review.


Oct 19, 2006 at 03:14 PM
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AGeoJO wrote:
Those Zeiss lenses are definitely on par with their Leica counterparts. The scary part is that they could pull it off for quite a bit less money. I am not too thrilled about the C/V lenses. They are decent and can be had for even less money but I would rather pay a more and go for the Zeiss if I didn't have the Leica lenses already. Just my opinion from reading other's and not only Sean's review.


I agree. I am looking forward to some comparisons of the Zeiss and Leica glass on the M8. Zeiss appears to be a much cheaper solution most of the time.



Oct 19, 2006 at 04:06 PM
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p.20 #18 · Re: M8/ I committed


Sean,
No, I have not used any CV lens. It was more my general opinion from reading reviews, mostly Puts'. I started reading your reviews since I just signed up today.

Joshua



Oct 19, 2006 at 05:21 PM
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p.20 #19 · Re: M8/ I committed


Erwin Puts is knowledgeble on Leica lenses, though he alledgedly "defected" to Canon not long ago, which I blame for his rather unfortunate Leica M8 review a few weeks ago.
However, his lens reviews must be taken with a pinch of salt, especially the subjective parts, as he was certainly not independent of Leica. He has been known for one or two inaccuracies from time to time as well. Having said that, his "Leica Lens Compendium" is required reading for any Leica user.
Another essential is Gunther Osterloh's "Leica M, Hohe Schule der Fotografie", also in English translation.



Oct 19, 2006 at 06:01 PM
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Joshua,
Puts has written very positively about some of the CV lenses for example 28/1.9 and 15/4.5. There are some very good CV lenses like the 15/4.5, 28/1.9 and 50/1.5 and then there are some less impressive ones. The standard isn't as high throughout the product range as Leica and Zeiss but there are a few that's very good.



Oct 19, 2006 at 06:15 PM
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