EOS20 swapping. We on the same wavelength man, you have thought out the concept I suggest we do the filming in Hawaii ---half way between Oz and the Great White North...
Chez yes there is a couple or three choices in that part of the Canon line isn't there.
chez wrote:
Canon gives you a huge choice of lens to cover this range together with a range of price. You pick the features / quality...you pay the price. I don't see what the problem is. Here are options for you if you want a zoom to cover the 70 - 200 / 300 range:
75 - 300 f4.0 / 5.6 $189.95
70 - 200 f4.0 L $584.95
70 - 300 f4.5 / 5.5 IS $559.95
70 - 200 f2.8 L $1139.95
70 - 300 f4.5 / 5.5 DO IS $1149.95
70 - 200 f4.0 L IS $1250.00 estimated
70 - 200 f2.8 L IS $1699.95
Now figure out YOUR price / performance mark, order that lens and quick bitching about something being priced too high. If it's too high...don't buy it. Simple as that. I'd love to drive a Honda S2000 Roadster, but at this time it is out of my price range so I drive a Honda Civic. Should I go bitch at Honda about their price gouging on the Roadster? ...Show more →
Well said. Thank you. I don't understand why there is so much complaining about the price of this lens. We are all free to buy it or not. And Canon should price the lens in order to maximize profits for the company and it's shareholders. And in the end, the market will determine the correct price.
timmyquest wrote:
I'm not so sure of that...you ever used an L lens?
You ever used an 18-55?
Yes, I've used "L" lenses almost bought a couple. In my tests against my 28-75 and 17-35 neither the 16-35, 17-40 or the 24-70 was as sharp, faster yes sharper no. So guess what, I took them back for a refund and spent my money elsewhere. The 18-55 is a decent lense for $0.00 which is what I paid for it. My 70-200 has all the Magic of the "L" for less money. I guess my lense selection or luck has been better than most. Or is it that third party lense aren't as bad as people make out or are "L's" not all as good as people say? You make the call..... Material costs are different but engineering & Machining costs are the same, that is what I meant when I say it doesn't cost more to make the different lenses.
Patrick Cox wrote:
Well said. Thank you. I don't understand why there is so much complaining about the price of this lens. We are all free to buy it or not. And Canon should price the lens in order to maximize profits for the company and it's shareholders. And in the end, the market will determine the correct price.
No offence Harry + Paddy, but some of you North American based guys that are trying to counter our complaints about price don't quite seem to get this, do you?
Canon's price for this lens in the UK is £989.00 - That's $1,866.43 at today's exchange rate... has the penny dropped yet?
We are having to pay $600+ more than you guys, for the same lens, that was made in the same factory, that was shipped in the same airplane, just to a different country...
...That's why I feel I have justification in stating that I'm not too chuffed at the price.
sivrajbm wrote:
Yes, I've used "L" lenses almost bought a couple. In my tests against my 28-75 and 17-35 neither the 16-35, 17-40 or the 24-70 was as sharp, faster yes sharper no. So guess what, I took them back for a refund and spent my money elsewhere. The 18-55 is a decent lense for $0.00 which is what I paid for it. My 70-200 has all the Magic of the "L" for less money. I guess my lense selection or luck has been better than most. Or is it that third party lense aren't as bad as people make out or are "L's" not all as good as people say? You make the call..... Material costs are different but engineering & Machining costs are the same, that is what I meant when I say it doesn't cost more to make the different lenses. ...Show more →
And you sound like the typical pixle peeper...there are much more to these lenses then sharpness
Johno wrote:
No offence Harry + Paddy, but some of you North American based guys that are trying to counter our complaints about price don't quite seem to get this, do you?
Canon's price for this lens in the UK is £989.00 - That's $1,866.43 at today's exchange rate... has the penny dropped yet?
We are having to pay $600+ more than you guys, for the same lens, that was made in the same factory, that was shipped in the same airplane, just to a different country...
...That's why I feel I have justification in stating that I'm not too chuffed at the price.
Being a citizen of another "socialist" country I do sympathize with your plight. However, perhaps those high UK prices have more to do with the fiscal, taxation and import polices and practices of your country than with the Canon Corporation pricing. Thus, many of us could be barking up that proverbial wrong (money bearing) tree.
Johno wrote:
No offence Harry + Paddy, but some of you North American based guys that are trying to counter our complaints about price don't quite seem to get this, do you?
Canon's price for this lens in the UK is £989.00 - That's $1,866.43 at today's exchange rate... has the penny dropped yet?
We are having to pay $600+ more than you guys, for the same lens, that was made in the same factory, that was shipped in the same airplane, just to a different country...
...That's why I feel I have justification in stating that I'm not too chuffed at the price.
This is a totally different issue from the price of this lens vs the price of the non-IS, which is what I keep reading about. I understand your concern and I sympathize with your plight.
Canon's price for this lens in the UK is £989.00 - That's $1,866.43 at today's exchange rate... has the penny dropped yet?
We are having to pay $600+ more than you guys, for the same lens, that was made in the same factory, that was shipped in the same airplane, just to a different country...
...That's why I feel I have justification in stating that I'm not too chuffed at the price.
Well don't cry to us about Canon UK pricing...cry to Canon. Have you ever got in contact with Canon UK and talked to them about your feelings on pricing. Vote with you pocket books and order from the US. Don't give your business to Canon UK. I have the same issue with Canon Canada and many people here in Canada order from the US. Recently, Canon prices have been getting closer to the US counterparts...maybe corporate is listening.
Pricing strategies for a line of products is a very complex thing. For instance, lets say Canon did price the 70-200 F4 IS at $800. What effect would this lens have on the sales of their 2.8 IS version? Would it effect it? I would think so since now you have to decide if 1 extra stop is worth twice the price for the lens. Pricing it closer to the 2.8 version reduces any effects on sales of that lens, which I believe is one of their best selling lenses. Their pricing strategy is set to maximize sales of their entire lens lineup...not just the 70-200 f4 IS lens.
The folks who suggest that those who buy L lenses are fools and that Canon would lower the price if no one bought them have every right to decline to buy L lenses.
However, while I can't say that every L is better than every non-L (there are some good non-L lenses), there really is a difference in optical quality and build quality - and some of us find these differences to be significant. (In my case, based on experience using both L and non-L lenses.)
I'll go out on a limb and predict the following:
- Some people will buy this lens right away at full list price.
- A bit later the price will drift downwards and others will purchase it.
- Despite the proposal to boycott the lens (yeah, right... ;-) Canon will sell plenty of them over the next decade or so.
- It will end up having a reputation as one of Canon's best lenses, especially for those who value lighter weight, want to save a few hundred dollars over the f/2.8 IS, and/or don't need f/2.8.
- Some people will buy the less expensive non-L lenses and be quite happy with them.
Once the price softens I'm pretty certain that I'll sell my non-IS 70-200 f/4 L and upgrade to the IS version.
Take care,
Dan
Edited by danmitchell on Aug 25, 2006 at 03:10 PM GMT
danmitchell wrote:
- It will end up having a reputation as one of Canon's best lenses, especially for those who value lighter weight, want to save a few hundred dollars over the f/2.8 IS, and/or don't need f/2.8.
i bet he's right. 5 years from now, people won't SHUT UP about how great this lens is.
Come on all you 'free-marketers' - you know this lens is overpriced. Just admit it - it won't make you a pinko commie you know.
I hope it won't sell, and I have a feeling it won't do so well at this price. Sure there's some people out there who don't care what they spend, but most people do. The target audience for this lens does typically have some knowledge about what they are buying and what their other options are. Hopefully Canon might learn a lesson - although prolly not given how their sales are going, they're riding the crest of the digital wave. I'd guess the price will trickle down slowly though not by a huge amount.
Lads, in all this let us not forget one simple fact: the non-IS f/4 zoom is still an excellent relatively inexpensive lens and it's still available new and used....the advent of the IS version does not change any of that, except that the used f/4 non-IS market might become a bit better for buyers.
I'd also say that while nice, the IS feature is obviously not as critical on the 70-200 zoom as it is on a 300mm lens or longer.
i can't even begin to believe what i've been reading here..............for years everyone has been screaming for an IS version of this lens, now Canon gives it to ya, and y'all diss it like it's a new body......
i may add one to my stuff, but as of now i only use my f/4 version when using flash.
obviously the f/2.8 IS version i have is the workhorse, but some will find this new version to be indispensable.
I suggest we do the filming in Hawaii ---half way between Oz and the Great White North...
Material costs are different but engineering & Machining costs are the same, that is what I meant when I say it doesn't cost more to make the different lenses.
country I do sympathize with your plight. However, perhaps those high UK prices have more to do with the fiscal, taxation and import polices and practices of your country than with the Canon Corporation pricing. Thus, many of us could be barking up that proverbial wrong (money bearing) tree.