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p.15 #2Alternative Image Thread
Fine image Anden, here is one in a somewhat similar vein. D2x and 85mm Micro-nikkor PC wide open.
May 27, 2006 at 02:48 PM
p.15 #3Alternative Image Thread
The 85 mm PC Micro- Nikkor is a fine performer at full aperture, but stopped down a bit it surely delivers the goods. Full tilt on the D2x.
May 27, 2006 at 03:27 PM
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p.15 #4Alternative Image Thread
carstenw wrote:
I would say man, but it could be a very fit woman. The shoulders look very powerful, and the hips not that wide...
very fit woman
I would say man, but it could be a very fit woman. The shoulders look very powerful, and the hips not that wide...
very fit woman
May 27, 2006 at 04:13 PM
p.15 #5Alternative Image Thread
Kurt
As always, wonderful shots. I would say you have the focus thing nailed because in image #1 the eye of the bird on the right is tack sharp. Great job. Have fun shooting with "the monster." By the way what tripod are you using with this rig? I seem to recall that at one time you were using the Gitzo 1228 but I would not think this lightweight champ would be stable enough for the 800
Woody
As always, wonderful shots. I would say you have the focus thing nailed because in image #1 the eye of the bird on the right is tack sharp. Great job. Have fun shooting with "the monster." By the way what tripod are you using with this rig? I seem to recall that at one time you were using the Gitzo 1228 but I would not think this lightweight champ would be stable enough for the 800
Woody
May 27, 2006 at 04:20 PM
p.15 #6Alternative Image Thread
Excellenet results, indeed, Kurt. Great shots!
May 27, 2006 at 04:56 PM
p.15 #7Alternative Image Thread
No way near as pretty as Kurt's pictures, but here's a juvenile (fledgling) crow on a utility pole, shot from my back yard. We've got several fledglings around. You can still see its baby blue eyes. This one's with the 800/5.6 as well.
May 27, 2006 at 06:20 PM
p.15 #8Alternative Image Thread
Fine images, Kurt. Clarity and colour excellent. 800 mm in FF terms is about 1100 mm! The only producer of this focal lenght I can think of is Canon with the 1200/5,6, a veritable monster that makes even your Leica seem handy...
The few times I have worked with such long lenses stabilizing the image in the viewfinder sufficiently to focus correctly seemed a problem. A two-point support helped a lot, but then of course one is constrained to non-moving targets. You seem to have managed this very well, care to post a picture of your setup?
The few times I have worked with such long lenses stabilizing the image in the viewfinder sufficiently to focus correctly seemed a problem. A two-point support helped a lot, but then of course one is constrained to non-moving targets. You seem to have managed this very well, care to post a picture of your setup?
May 28, 2006 at 05:14 AM
p.15 #9Alternative Image Thread
Thanks for the comments Woody, Guy, Peter and Arne.
Arne, I was concerned about focus too, but it is much easier with the module system than I would have imagined. The large head is very bright making manual focus in the viewfinder relatively simple. My set-up for the crane shots was literally hanging the lens out of the car window. I didn't have time to set up a tripod or I would have missed getting the chick. All the credit should go to Leica for designing such a marvelous system. I received the 2X module yesterday, so those were some of my first images with it.
Here's another example. I drove around for an hour this morning to see if I could find the cranes again, but could not find them. Instead, I came across this group of wild turkeys. As soon as they saw me, they started to run away. This time, since I again did not have time to set up a tripod, I stepped out of the car with the lens and fired off a series of shots handheld (with arms twitching) into the bright morning sun. They all didn't turn out, of course, but I did come back with a few very nice ones. This was at 800mm, f11, ISO400 and 1/250 of a second.
Arne, I was concerned about focus too, but it is much easier with the module system than I would have imagined. The large head is very bright making manual focus in the viewfinder relatively simple. My set-up for the crane shots was literally hanging the lens out of the car window. I didn't have time to set up a tripod or I would have missed getting the chick. All the credit should go to Leica for designing such a marvelous system. I received the 2X module yesterday, so those were some of my first images with it.
Here's another example. I drove around for an hour this morning to see if I could find the cranes again, but could not find them. Instead, I came across this group of wild turkeys. As soon as they saw me, they started to run away. This time, since I again did not have time to set up a tripod, I stepped out of the car with the lens and fired off a series of shots handheld (with arms twitching) into the bright morning sun. They all didn't turn out, of course, but I did come back with a few very nice ones. This was at 800mm, f11, ISO400 and 1/250 of a second.
May 28, 2006 at 08:24 AM
p.15 #10Alternative Image Thread
Kurt,
Save some money. Sell your tripod and the Wimberley head. I'll gladly take (notice I said take and not buy) the Wimberley from you. It's obvious you don't need either of those with a shot like the last one. 
Nice job on that one.
Peter
Save some money. Sell your tripod and the Wimberley head. I'll gladly take (notice I said take and not buy
) the Wimberley from you. It's obvious you don't need either of those with a shot like the last one. Nice job on that one.
Peter
May 28, 2006 at 08:31 AM
p.15 #11Alternative Image Thread
Guy, can you tell me a little more about what kinds of moving heads are available for monopods. That's something I haven't looked into yet. I have an excellent monopod and a plate for the lens...it's the only thing I'm missing.
Kurt
Kurt
May 28, 2006 at 09:24 AM
p.15 #12Alternative Image Thread
Me, too. I'm actually using my ballhead on the monopod right now. You only need the tilt capability for a monopod, but I haven't found such a thing that has A/S quick release and/or rated at more than 6 pounds.
May 28, 2006 at 09:39 AM
p.15 #13Alternative Image Thread
Guy
I have the RRS Clamp on the Manfrotto head you referred to at BH Photo although I bought my clamp from RRS as well. It works a charm and the Arca style quick release clamp is solid.
Highly recommended
Woody Spedden
I have the RRS Clamp on the Manfrotto head you referred to at BH Photo although I bought my clamp from RRS as well. It works a charm and the Arca style quick release clamp is solid.
Highly recommended
Woody Spedden
May 28, 2006 at 01:26 PM
p.15 #14Alternative Image Thread
Today was rather crappy weather for Colorado so I just drove around looking for something to practice with my 105-280 with attached 1.4x extender. I captured the horses at the 280 end of the zoom so it was about a 400mm shot before the 1.37 multiplication of the DMR. I was pretty pleased with the results, especially the ability to get good focus. I took about 15 images in all and 13 of them were in really crisp focus. Only problem is that I don't know what went wrong with the other two! Using the Brightscreen Pro with the 13mm spot is really helpful. I found also that there is sufficient (barely) room outside the microprism circle to focus with the groundglass matte portion of the screen. In some conditions I get better results with the matte screen.
Anyway welcome your comments.
By the way the only processing was a slight trimming of levels. The sharpening is at the native settings for C1 (50/3 Soft Look)
Woody
Anyway welcome your comments.
By the way the only processing was a slight trimming of levels. The sharpening is at the native settings for C1 (50/3 Soft Look)
Woody
May 28, 2006 at 04:49 PM
p.15 #15Alternative Image Thread
Guys,
I just need one Kodak SLR/c, then you can run up the market, Just let me get one.
Thrn, BTW, why would I stil need the 5D? Just for full frame high ISO?
Asher
http://www.openphotgraphyforums.com
I just need one Kodak SLR/c, then you can run up the market, Just let me get one.
Thrn, BTW, why would I stil need the 5D? Just for full frame high ISO?
Asher
http://www.openphotgraphyforums.com
May 29, 2006 at 11:34 AM
p.15 #16Alternative Image Thread
Guy, as always, thans for your considered thoughts.
I am in fact going to br going back to long exposures for people portraits, which is how I started. Recently, Rainer, the German Photo-architect (whose work opens our OPF web site), shared with me his vacation pictures using a 4MB Casio. These were amazing hand-held street pictures.
He uses a slow shutter handheld resting on a ledge to allow the subject to fillout their form.
The result is that the obfuscatory details are gone, and we get left with the pure esthetics of how the subjects fit into this world. Rainer, BTW, speaks nothing of this touchy-feely stuff, he just knows how to take a great picture. It is so counter-intuitive for an accomplished landscape photographer know for his precison and detailed clarity. But there it is a guman side.
So I will revist the days of Kodachrome 64 and let life slow down.
Still for fast moving events where 500 images are needed in a 3 hour period with specific ceremonies to record, high speed setting are a wonderful cheat!
I'm returning tp slow speeds with the Koad SLR/c if I can find one without being robbed!
Asher
http://www.openphoyographyforums.com
I am in fact going to br going back to long exposures for people portraits, which is how I started. Recently, Rainer, the German Photo-architect (whose work opens our OPF web site), shared with me his vacation pictures using a 4MB Casio. These were amazing hand-held street pictures.
He uses a slow shutter handheld resting on a ledge to allow the subject to fillout their form.
The result is that the obfuscatory details are gone, and we get left with the pure esthetics of how the subjects fit into this world. Rainer, BTW, speaks nothing of this touchy-feely stuff, he just knows how to take a great picture. It is so counter-intuitive for an accomplished landscape photographer know for his precison and detailed clarity. But there it is a guman side.
So I will revist the days of Kodachrome 64 and let life slow down.
Still for fast moving events where 500 images are needed in a 3 hour period with specific ceremonies to record, high speed setting are a wonderful cheat!
I'm returning tp slow speeds with the Koad SLR/c if I can find one without being robbed!
Asher
http://www.openphoyographyforums.com
May 29, 2006 at 12:23 PM
p.15 #17Alternative Image Thread
Stern words Guy, but generally I agee with you; high ISO should (still) be the exception, not the rule if high quality images are the goal.
Asher, I've seen some wonderful images made with the Kodak SLR-c, but beware if you start playing with the T/S lenses you'll get heavy colour-casts with this camera.
To return to the alternative images, here is one with 1Ds-II and Leica 19 mm.
Asher, I've seen some wonderful images made with the Kodak SLR-c, but beware if you start playing with the T/S lenses you'll get heavy colour-casts with this camera.
To return to the alternative images, here is one with 1Ds-II and Leica 19 mm.
May 29, 2006 at 01:26 PM
p.15 #18Alternative Image Thread
I know Asher is going to kill me when I say this but...
Since reading about and investigating the SLR/c, it appears it might be an full frame option worth considering to supplement the R9/DMR. For example, the 15mm & 19mm with the SLR/c stay just that. You get 14 million megapixles, no AA filter, and from what I read really good color.
Has anyone used this combination; SLR/c, Leica glass, RAW with no camera processing? What does it look like compared to the R9/DMR? Any thoughts Guy?
Since reading about and investigating the SLR/c, it appears it might be an full frame option worth considering to supplement the R9/DMR. For example, the 15mm & 19mm with the SLR/c stay just that. You get 14 million megapixles, no AA filter, and from what I read really good color.
Has anyone used this combination; SLR/c, Leica glass, RAW with no camera processing? What does it look like compared to the R9/DMR? Any thoughts Guy?
May 29, 2006 at 01:45 PM
p.15 #19Alternative Image Thread
Why would I kill you? Noone has ordered a "hit" !
The color cast can som etimes be removed by using a milk filter on the lens and shooting the same subject and inverting it and subtracting the color.
However, by having a Leica of Zeiss lens, maybe one doesnt need to shift. If so, everything should be superb!
BTW, in additon to comparing the Leica DB with the Kodak plus Zeiss lenses, has anyone tried the BlueFire Police B&W film for B&W work?
Asher
http://www.openphotgraphyforums.com
!The color cast can som etimes be removed by using a milk filter on the lens and shooting the same subject and inverting it and subtracting the color.
However, by having a Leica of Zeiss lens, maybe one doesnt need to shift. If so, everything should be superb!
BTW, in additon to comparing the Leica DB with the Kodak plus Zeiss lenses, has anyone tried the BlueFire Police B&W film for B&W work?
Asher
http://www.openphotgraphyforums.com
May 29, 2006 at 02:18 PM
p.15 #20Alternative Image Thread
Zeiss 28mm on a 1Ds2: (posted these the other day in the nature forum)
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May 29, 2006 at 02:43 PM