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John Howells
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p.1 #1 · 350d and len's


A quick question, is it over the top to think about buying a 350d camera body and then using an L series lens with it. I was considering buying this camera body and then spending the money on a decent couple of lens's. The guy at the camera shop said not to do this, but buy, say a 20D, instead. Your opinions would be very much appreciated. Thanks, John.


Dec 30, 2005 at 05:13 PM
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p.1 #2 · 350d and len's


Welcome aboard!

I say go with the lenses. You can always upgrade the body later. The 350D will give you excellent results.

Don



Dec 30, 2005 at 05:19 PM
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p.1 #3 · 350d and len's


When the choice is between better body or better glass, the answer is almost always "better glass". The XT is a good camera.


Dec 30, 2005 at 05:25 PM
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p.1 #4 · 350d and len's


The guys at the camera shops tick me off quite often. Keep in mind that most of the time these guys are trying to upsell you, or they're hourly people with very little camera experience.

The picture quality of the 350D and 20D technically is identical. You'd really have to jump up to a 1D to start seeing differences, but that isn't to say you can't get the same quality picture out of a 350D/20D as you could a 1D.

I was also plagued with the question 350D or 20D earlier this month, and decided getting the 350D plus a 50mm, 35mm and the "kit" lens was worth more to me than buying a 20D body. The XT will fit in my bag better along with a 1D one day too



Dec 30, 2005 at 05:26 PM
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p.1 #5 · 350d and len's


The 350D is a great camera. My experience is that the lens make a lot of difference, and I would always buy better glass over a more expensive body with approx the same resolution.

The main reasons to buy thr 20D over the 350D in my mind is the size of the buffer (how many shots you can fit in memory while it is writing them to the flash card) and frames per second (the 20D is 5 whereas the 350D is 3). Unless you are doing sports then frames per seconds is not 'that' important.

The 350D can only get 4 RAW shots in memory at once, (but a few more JPGs) so there may be a couple of seconds lag until you can take the next shot. If you are taking only one or two shots at a time, you will never even notice this limitation.

The user interface is a little different too - but I find the 300D/350D interface very easy to use, so the UI would not worry me too much either.

At the end of the day, which is more important to you? User interface or high quality shots? If you are 'ok' with medium quality shots from cheaper glass then by all means by a 20D and cheap glass.

If you can buy the 20D and good glass then it's a no brainer Otherwise, the 350 + good glass is (IMHO) better than a 20d and cheapo glass.

You will keep the good glass for years. People tend to upgrade their bodies more often.




Dec 30, 2005 at 05:27 PM
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p.1 #6 · 350d and len's


Go with the 350. Its a very capable camera, and I prefer it to the 20D due to its size and weight. I have a 300D and was | | close to upgrading to a 350 for those benefits, but then decided my money would be better spent on glass. I'm still in the process of deciding what lens(es) to purchase, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with mating an "L" lens to the rebel.


Dec 30, 2005 at 05:42 PM
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p.1 #7 · 350d and len's


Wow, thanks for all the speedy replys. From what you all say i'll go with the 350d and some decent lens's.

I've spent a good few days pouring over the reviews on this site, and had pretty much set my mind on this route.

There is a good deal on the 350d at the moment and I was all ready to buy, when the salesman drew in his breath and said " you don't want to do that."
Needless to say the seed of doubt was sown!!

I would like to thank you all for your helpful advice. See you soon.

Happy New Year.

John.



Dec 30, 2005 at 05:55 PM
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p.1 #8 · 350d and len's


Most camera salesmen should be put to sleep. They were probably selling washing
machines last year. I have both the 350 and the 20D and more often than not the
350 gets an "L" and we're out the door. Buy it - be happy - get more glass! Cheers.



Dec 30, 2005 at 07:28 PM
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p.1 #9 · 350d and len's


Now you have the tough lens choices. That's exactly what I'm struggling with right now (gotta love the prime vs. zoom discussion). Unfortunately, I don't have the $$ to jump into L glass right now (except maybe the 70-200/4 if I decide on a zoom). Good luck with your purchase!


Dec 30, 2005 at 07:33 PM
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p.1 #10 · 350d and len's


For moderate money, the 70-200 F4L and the 17-40 F4L seem to have a lot fo bang for the buck. I have the 17-85IS, but if I had to do it again (and I may...) I would go for the 17-40F4L


Dec 30, 2005 at 08:05 PM
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p.1 #11 · 350d and len's


I have had a 20d for about a year now, and am very happy with it. However, I just picked up a 350xt, and wow, this is the killer camera! Same picture quality as the 20D, almost all of the features, and way smaller and lighter.

In my opinion, the two essential lenses for the camera are the kit lens, and the 35mm 2.0. The kit lens is an excellent lens for its weight and price. The 35 2.0 is the most useful prime, tiny, and is incredibly sharp. Any other lenes are great to have, when you get the money, but provide a smaller incremental improvement.

I own a 17-40L
10-22
70-200 f4 L
28-135
50 1.8
85 1.8
17-85 IS
20D, and 350xt
580ex and 420ex flashes
And,...., the combination that impresses me most is the 350xt and the 35 f2.0.






Dec 30, 2005 at 10:12 PM
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p.1 #12 · 350d and len's


Thanks again for all the help, I hope you all had a good new year.
I bought the body yesterday, so i'm on the lookout for a lens or two. Maybe a 24-70 or an 85, I want to start off with portraits of my kids. A friend is going to let me try his lens in a couple of days time.
I get a bit concerned when I read some posts that talk about some of the L lens's not being sharp, and having to have them sent to Canon to be fine tuned to the camera!! Can this be a comon problem.

John.



Jan 01, 2006 at 03:42 PM
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p.1 #13 · 350d and len's


Sam Bennett wrote:
When the choice is between better body or better glass, the answer is almost always "better glass". The XT is a good camera.

i agree



Jan 01, 2006 at 04:52 PM
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p.1 #14 · 350d and len's


Most camera salesman are already asleep . . .

I bought an unnamed lens from an unnamed store this week, having ordered it a week before. On arrival home I get a call from the salesman:

'Sorry, sir, but that lens isn't suitable for your camera', he said.

'What do you mean?' I said.

'Well I just called 'company' HQ, and I've spoken to Canon, and they both say that the Sigma 12-24mm doesn't work properly with full frame cameras - and that's why you've had bad results with them before', he said.

'I've had three of them before', I said. 'One was soft all over, one was soft in the corners and one was soft on one side . . .'

'That's because they weren't designed for your camera', he interrupted.

'You see, that lens has DG written on it, which means it was designed for digital cameras, you know, with smaller sensors', he continued.

'You mean DX, for 1.6x crop Nikon cameras . . .' I explained.

'No', he said. 'Sigma changed the lenses and put DG on them and the new ones aren't compatible with your camera.' He explained: 'If you can find an older one, without DG on it, it should work fine.'

'You utter cretin', I thought. But I said: 'Oh . . . perhaps I'd better bring it back after Christmas, then.'

'Canon make a much better lens than that one which works on all cameras, I think it's a 17-35mm' , he suggested.

'Thanks for your help', I concluded.

Actually, that lens proved to be the sharpest 12-24mm I've ever seen, but suffered from the same long-end decentring that tends to afflict many of these samples which meant that it was unusable at 24mm. I returned it to the very helpful, but woefully uninformed salesman. At least he wasn't trying to palm me off with high-margin merchandise. Or if he was, he was making a very bad job of it.

Actually the 350D is pretty demanding of centre frame resolution, and you will notice the difference with better glass. Certain lenses, such as the 85mm f1.8, become absolute giant killers when used on a 1.6x sensor - and of course money invested in glass will long outlive the money spent on a digital body. Ignore the salesman and buy the best glass you can afford: you won't regret it.

And you won't need to keep borrowing them from Len.



Jan 02, 2006 at 07:11 AM
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p.1 #15 · 350d and len's


I use the heck out of my 350D's and one get a lot of abuse because of the work I do. There are things I like about my V1 more and I love professional cameras for the fit and feel but when it come down to image quality unless you are talking about more pixels, and know how to use them, you are not going to get any better image. I use the 350 because it is quiter than the 20D. In my work with people I need to fade out of the "picture" as interviews take place. My M2 Leica is the best but I need more than what it can do. The 350 has a quieter shutter slap than the 20D and when done right, provides a very sharp image. I would ALWAYS go with better glass. Also, in the areas I work, if a 350 gets stolen that is a lot pain than something that cost 3000 or more (though my hand is always tight on my camera). There are features that I would prefer to be enhanced but for the money you can't go wrong with the 350. Years ago I was a camera salesman. I would not lie but the guy I worked with, who was the best saleman I have ever known or seen in action except for one little habit, often lied but I must add that it was not to screw someone but to the effect that he had the camera they were buying and it was a good one to go with. Salesmen can really help or they can be a real dirt bag.




Jan 02, 2006 at 07:30 AM





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