IIRC 10D records the exact amount of shutter actuations regardless of reseting the filenaming or not, to a JPEG file. It can be viewed with, for example EXIF Reader. Search this forum and you'll find old topics covering the issue.
We shoot sports events. One of my photogographers still has his original shutter in his 10D. It must have over 180K on the shutter. I have been through 3 20D's in the last 18 months.
The 10D is a great camera. We always want the best ISO performance, instant on, umpteen million megapixels, yada yada yada but put some good glass on that 10D and your 8x10prints will hang with just about anything.........that is unless you are one of those brick wall pixel peeper shooters. Congrats on the camera and enjoy! Its a really good photographic tool!
Somewhere I saw a post from Canon stating that all 'professional' bodies after the 1N (100,000 cycle rating) would be rated at 150,000 cycles average. This would therefore include all 1 series digital DSLRs until it was recently raised to 200,000. In any case the first link below includes an official quote from Canon regarding professional verses consumer shutter life at the time of the post.
When the D20 was first introduced it was touted as an entry level professional DSLR which would suggest 150,000 shutter cycles IMO. I have not seen an official statement from Canon regarding the 20Ds expected shutter life, but there was a statement a few years back indicating the D60 was rated at an average of 75,000 cycles (first link below).
When the 10D came out, it touted as having an 'improved' shutter design. This can mean many things. Perhaps the D30 and D60 shutters were failing on average before their expected life and the 10D's shutter would last as expected, or maybe they were fine but the 10Ds shutter is more consistent in its failure rate, or maybe it was just faster and had less shutter lag, etc. It's hard to say. In any case an 'expected' shutter cycle life that is in line with other consumer DSLR bodies is inferred.
When the 20D came out it stated it was an entry level professional camera with a shutter design offering twice the number of actuations as the 10D. This adds up to 150,00 once again for the 20D, assuming the 10D is 75,000.
I don't know where the 50,000 cycles for the 10D and 100,000 cycles for the 20D came from, but if there is any official documentation regarding this I would love to see it so I can update my information.
EOS20 wrote:
You can send it in for a new shutter, However the costs are usully more than the camera is worth.
I don't think that's really quite true. There have been many that have had their shutters replaced on D30s, D60s and 10Ds in the US for around $250-285. The cameras are all still worth more than that.
My dad, who is in the photo business says the 10D is either 100,000 or 125,000. He has sold lots of these, so I am assuming he is correct. I know the 20D was rated at fewer actuations than the 10D by a lot. The 20D is rated at 50,000 so the 10D is probably 100,000.
While I appreciate that you dad is in the photo business, Canon has stated officially that the 20D is a entry level professional DLSR that is designed to offer twice the number of shutter actuations as the 10D. In addition, it offers high precision focusing with lenses rated a f/2.8 or better, and has a 5fps frame rate.
Does anyone have a link to the 20D flash animation that existed when it was first introduced? I believe this is where it is mentioned.
The shutter lifetime has been extended from 150,000 cycles on the 1Ds to 200,000 cycles on the 1Ds mark II.
Again from Bob Atkins' site:
The EOS 20D has a high performance shutter designed for increased reliability (100,000 cycles), the Digital Rebel XT has the normal Canon shutter (about 50,000 cycles).
I also have Canon USA brochures for the 20D and 1Ds MkII (sorry they're at my office) that state the shutter life is as Bob states. The brochure for the 20D also states the shutter life is twice the 10D.
The shutter lifetime has been extended from 150,000 cycles on the 1Ds to 200,000 cycles on the 1Ds mark II.
Again from Bob Atkins' site:
The EOS 20D has a high performance shutter designed for increased reliability (100,000 cycles), the Digital Rebel XT has the normal Canon shutter (about 50,000 cycles).
I also have Canon USA brochures for the 20D and 1Ds MkII (sorry they're at my office) that state the shutter life is as Bob states. The brochure for the 20D also states the shutter life is twice the 10D.
I was wondering where others got their information. What you state above is what I've read over and over on reliable sites.
learning everyday. first time i read this actuation term. sorry for being naive, does it mean that after a certain number of shots, the camera (shutter mechanism) breaks down or something? It's easy to take 10 000 shots in a few months, traveling, only 100 a day for 3 months. plus shooting back home, the numbers I read here would mean that the shutter is unoperative after 2, 3 or 4 years? What If I have a 3 year warranty on my 300D (I do). Is this covered?
The idea being it would become a second camera or a "spare" one.
Put shutter actuation total out of your mind-just keep adding to them and get the hang of how it works and what it can do for you. You're going to love it!
herve wrote:
learning everyday. first time i read this actuation term. sorry for being naive, does it mean that after a certain number of shots, the camera (shutter mechanism) breaks down or something? It's easy to take 10 000 shots in a few months, traveling, only 100 a day for 3 months. plus shooting back home, the numbers I read here would mean that the shutter is unoperative after 2, 3 or 4 years? What If I have a 3 year warranty on my 300D (I do). Is this covered?
The idea being it would become a second camera or a "spare" one.
I thnk the numbers are considered the 'mean'--some will fail sooner, some later, some MUCH later. I just don't worry about any of mine--haven't had a shutter failure yet on any body (but will, I'm sure, if I shoot long enough with one).
Yes, I think that its expected that the shutter will certainly fail--'when' is the question. As said, just shoot, and if and when, consider what you will do then--based on the worth of the camera to you.
They're build for over 200,000 actuations. I've been babying mine - only 4,800 in 22 months, though the trend runs exponetially upward, especially the past few months. I think its the influence of all those years of shooting that strange stuff called film, and counting the pennies for processing that have kept me from going trigger happy.
Enjoy your 10D - they are solid and deliver. And as always, its not just a great camera that makes a great photo. It is just a tool in talented hands...
Yeah, the most popular figure that I read was 75,000 for a 10D. Everything I heard was the 20D is rated at 50,000 as it also has Canon's standard shutter, while the 5D is rated at 100,000.
Yeah, the most popular figure that I read was 75,000 for a 10D. Everything I heard was the 20D is rated at 50,000 as it also has Canon's standard shutter, while the 5D is rated at 100,000.
This is not correct. Read my posts above. The 10D, Rebel XT,and presumably the Rebel, are rated at 50,000. The Canon 20D is rated 100,000 and the current 1 Series bodies (digital, not film) are rated at 200,000. Older 1 Series cameras are rated at 150,000. I've not seen hard facts for the 5D yet, but admittedly, I've not really searched. In any event, enjoy your new camera and happy shooting in the new year.
