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p.1 #1 · canon 20D and nikon D200 samples


hi gang,

luvin' my shiny new D200 but i still have my beloved and trusty 20D sooooo

why not a few comparative crops? here ya go:

http://www.pbase.com/norm/d200_and_20d

Edited by 21farms on Dec 22, 2005 at 03:45 PM GMT (Reason: updated now with ISO100 shots)

Edited by 21farms on Dec 29, 2005 at 04:38 PM GMT (Reason: a variety of all new shots added)



Dec 22, 2005 at 02:04 PM
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p.1 #2 · canon 20D and nikon D200 samples


So what's your observation so far?


Dec 22, 2005 at 02:20 PM
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p.1 #3 · canon 20D and nikon D200 samples


The D200 seems to have a richer colour and appear a little more contrasty than the 20D images. Hows the High ISO performance on the D200?

Also how do you find the shutter/mirror slap on the D200 compared to the 20D?







Dec 22, 2005 at 02:22 PM
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p.1 #4 · canon 20D and nikon D200 samples


The color differences are interesting as is the texture differences in the grain. The 20D is also noticeably sharper. Is that a function of the lens diference? I don't know anything about the Nikon.


Dec 22, 2005 at 02:37 PM
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p.1 #5 · canon 20D and nikon D200 samples


Interesting. Was any NR applied on the Nikon images? The Canon seems to have the edge on details. Was both photo taken with the same aperture and shutter speed?

Edited by joesmith on Dec 22, 2005 at 01:44 PM GMT



Dec 22, 2005 at 02:42 PM
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p.1 #6 · canon 20D and nikon D200 samples


Not much in it is there? Definitely a different look to each camera's images though, colour wise. I'd happily use either.

I'm also interested in whether or not that Canon's sharper looking edges are due to the glass or the camera. I know squat about Nikon's lens line up. Is the lens you used on you D200 of similar quality as the 17-40?

Edited by BenM on Dec 22, 2005 at 07:45 PM GMT



Dec 22, 2005 at 02:42 PM
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p.1 #7 · canon 20D and nikon D200 samples


Wow, such a difference even at 800 in terms of noise/sharpness. I'd be curious to do a test with the 20D in DPP and the D200 in Nikon Capture. Any way you can post the RAW files?


Dec 22, 2005 at 02:44 PM
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p.1 #8 · canon 20D and nikon D200 samples


too many variables to decide. I can't wait to try that D200. I'm a good boy so, I just hope Santa don't forget to put it under our tree.


Dec 22, 2005 at 02:48 PM
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p.1 #9 · canon 20D and nikon D200 samples


The color difference remind me of the test Guy did with the Leica DMR vs Canon 1DsII. The Nikon image looks more pleasant straight out of the camera.


Dec 22, 2005 at 02:55 PM
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p.1 #10 · canon 20D and nikon D200 samples


khiromu, the ergonomics and user-interface on the D200 are top-notch...near perfect button placement and the button size is perfect, an outstanding LCD readout and terrific menus. however, my first few shots, i nearly freaked...bad vertical banding was apparent but it has not happened since. it has been quite the learning experience just using the nikon as EVERYTHING turns the opposite way as canons...the zoom rings, mounting/unmounting lenses. to be sure, there are niggles that bother me as well. canon rear lens caps and body caps fit together nicely and sit snug in your camera bag...nikons are loose. the zoom rings on my 17-40L and 70-200/4L are light and feathery whereas the nikon zoom rings are s-t-i-f-f. canon's charger has the integrated folding plug but the d200's requires an extra cord. oh, and the other thing i learned the hard way was that the d200 numbers the files from the beginning with every CF card by default...i mistakenly wrote over my first set of files before i realized this because i was so used to the canon's continuous numbering system.

EOS20, i'll let you know about the high ISO performance...i have some ISO1600 shots i took too but they metered differently on those and will have to re-do them. so far, the d200 highly prefers shooting in RAW whereas the 20D does very nicely even in JPEG. regarding the color, from past experience, i know my 17-40L runs on the cooler color temperature side but, still, i'd say the actual colors were between what i ended up with from both cameras. the mirror slap on the d200 is very nicely damped...it doesn't sound nearly as "mechanical" as the 20D nor is it as loud.

mcarr, i agree the canon shot looks sharper but that may be the lenses. the 17-40L is only a 2.35x whereas the nikkor 17-55DX is a 3.24x so there are less design compromises. also the 17-40L is a FF lens but the nikkor is optimized for a cropped sensor so there may be less glass at the edges? i dunno. still, at half the price of the nikkor, i'd say it does pretty well!

joesmith, i'm not really sure. the d200 manual says that some NR is *always* applied at ISO800+ but i also turned it down to 'Low' in the menu just to be safe (the default is 'normal'). and, yes, the pics were taken just minutes apart at the exact same ISO, SS, and f and i converted from RAW at only ACR's default settings.

BenM, yes, i totally agree...i don't see much difference in IQ either and am happy to use either. the 20D has been wonderful and i still love it. yet, next to the D200, it does seem to be getting long in the tooth because of the design and ergonomics.

Sam Bennett, i don't have a way to post the RAW files but i'm happy to share them with whoever wants them. the NEF is over 15mb though and i'm not sure my email program allows me to send out such a large file. any thoughts here?

joesmith, yes, the D200 seems to nail the exposure and white balance very well although i keep telling myself that the 20D is an old man in comparison.

well, i am surprised no one has asked about the viewfinder. i put on 85mm f/1.8 primes on both yesterday and repeated held up the cameras to my eye. the D200 is slightly bigger but that's about as much as i can tell...definitely not as large as i had hoped for.



Dec 22, 2005 at 03:32 PM
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p.1 #11 · canon 20D and nikon D200 samples


21farms wrote:
Sam Bennett, i don't have a way to post the RAW files but i'm happy to share them with whoever wants them. the NEF is over 15mb though and i'm not sure my email program allows me to send out such a large file. any thoughts here?


Well, if you want to give it a shot send to [email protected] - thanks!



Dec 22, 2005 at 04:04 PM
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p.1 #12 · canon 20D and nikon D200 samples


oh, one more thing that was reported by popular photography but that is actually true judging from the relative brightness of the pics, the 20D's ISO800 appears to be conservative in relation to the D200. pop photos's lab tests show that nikon hits their ISO ratings smack on the head: ISO100 indeeds measures out to ISO100, ISO800 is ISO800, etc., etc. whereas canon's ISO100 was actually closer to ISO125, etc. etc. (i cannot remember the exact figures).


Dec 22, 2005 at 04:07 PM
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p.1 #13 · canon 20D and nikon D200 samples


Hmmm, if the 20D photos are on the right, then I think the 20D produced the better images. They seem sharper with more detail to me. The D200 images on the left have a blueish tint and not very sharp IMO.

Warren



Dec 22, 2005 at 04:08 PM
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p.1 #14 · canon 20D and nikon D200 samples


Maybe it is just me but the IQ from the 20D seems much better than the D200. In particular, Crop 3 shows a difference between the two that is about equal to the difference between the 5D and the 20D.

Thank you very much for taking the time to post these and I will look foward to your future testing as the results may change as you get to know your new camera better.

PS to BenM... the Nikon 17-55 is a very highly rated lens that is about double the price of the 17-40. Logic would suggest that If anything it should perform better than the 17-40 but as we all know, that may not necessarily be true.



Dec 22, 2005 at 04:08 PM
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p.1 #15 · canon 20D and nikon D200 samples


sam, i'm sending each one separately. the NEF is 15mb and the CR2 is 8mb. let me know if they get through...they're on their way as i type.

W. Tucker and Hrow, i'm sure image quality with my D200 will improve as i become more accustomed to it...i've been shooting with my 20D since the week it came out and there's always a learning curve with these things for me. also, as pointed out to me by another FMer, ACR doesn't actually handle D200 files yet and treats them as D100 files which is a major crippling for the time being. i've downloaded the 30-day trial of nikon capture but i cannot get it to run on my computers without crashing...ha-ha, maybe it doesn't lik co-existing with my canon RAW converters. besides, these are two very different lenses...i wouldn't make too many judgements based on them. also, these are at ISO800...at ISO100, it may be a completely different story!



Dec 22, 2005 at 04:19 PM
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p.1 #16 · canon 20D and nikon D200 samples


Norm,

Looking at the jpegs, which camera color are more accurate and closer to the building color you remember.



Dec 22, 2005 at 04:42 PM
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p.1 #17 · canon 20D and nikon D200 samples


joesmith wrote:
Looking at the jpegs, which camera color are more accurate and closer to the building color you remember.


actually, neither camera's auto WB nailed it but it was definitely closer to the D200. i'm actually one of the ones that has been pretty well pleased with the 20D's auto WB in many situations but the D200 is even better. the 20D jpeg here is way too pink and saturated. when i tried playing with the 'cloudy' white balance in the RAW converter, it only got worse but the auto in RAW actually looks pretty good.



Dec 22, 2005 at 04:54 PM
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p.1 #18 · canon 20D and nikon D200 samples


W. Tucker wrote:
Hmmm, if the 20D photos are on the right, then I think the 20D produced the better images. They seem sharper with more detail to me.


I agree, the 20D shots present much more detail, evident in all crops and most visible in crops 3, 5 and 7.



Dec 22, 2005 at 05:02 PM
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p.1 #19 · canon 20D and nikon D200 samples


From what I have read it is clear that D200 is much better camera than 20D but from this samples it looks like 20D captures A LOT more detail. Is that "only" because they were iso 800 or is 20d better at lower iso as well?


Dec 22, 2005 at 05:14 PM
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p.1 #20 · canon 20D and nikon D200 samples


What does "better camera" mean? Specs wise, handling wise, etc. the D200 seems to be a better camera in general. But image quality is highly subjective, and we all shoot in a particular ways so "better" is going to depend on the person using it.


Dec 22, 2005 at 05:16 PM
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