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p.4 #1 · 30/f1.4


Thank you for that post Jonbrach. I was tempted to buy the 30 1.4 from amazon too. I guess I'll buy either the 35L or the 2.0.


Dec 10, 2005 at 03:26 PM
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p.4 #2 · 30/f1.4


I've been thinking about this lens, got to play with a 35 f/2 today (and picked it up nice and cheap used from a local store) . But seeing this post again makes me think the 30 will be joining my lineup soon as well. I know lots of people have had problems of one sort or another with sigma, but I have an 18-50 that is working out great for me, so Im willing to do the run around to get a good 30 1.4 Thanks for all the info in this thread, its going to make my wallet lighter methinks.


Dec 10, 2005 at 03:44 PM
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p.4 #3 · 30/f1.4


My 30 1.4 didn't focus well at first either. I had it calibrated, and now it's great. I wouldn't give up on this lens based on one bad experience. I used it last night and got more keepers than I have with any of my other lenses before... and it was just my family and I sitting around playing a board game. here are a couple samples just processed through C1 Pro with nothing other than white balance:

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3893/img10580ww.jpg

100% of my dog's eye infection:
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http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8980/img10576vr.jpg

100%:
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http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7098/img10133fm.jpg

Ok... you caught me. That last one was the 135L. I just had to throw it in though.



Dec 10, 2005 at 03:47 PM
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p.4 #4 · 30/f1.4


I don't know about you, but considering how dimly lit the room was I think the detail on those crops is just fine. My 50 1.4 never did any better wide open.


Dec 10, 2005 at 03:48 PM
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p.4 #5 · 30/f1.4


There's no risk to trying one from Amazon. With the code on the page "ADDFREEULTRA" you also get a Sigma 62mm Multicoated UV filter for free. It's also the US version with the 4 year warranty.

Mine arrived yesterday and is very fun. No, it's not edge-to-edge sharp at 1.4 (center is), but I don't think you can expect that from a $380 lens. Not to mention that by 2.0 I'd bet it's sharper than the Canon 35 f/2.

My $.02 worth.




paki wrote:
Thank you for that post Jonbrach. I was tempted to buy the 30 1.4 from amazon too. I guess I'll buy either the 35L or the 2.0.




Dec 10, 2005 at 05:08 PM
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p.4 #6 · 30/f1.4


Evolution wrote:
I used it last night and got more keepers than I have with any of my other lenses before... and it was just my family and I sitting around playing a board game.


So it's true, dogs really can play poker ?!



Dec 10, 2005 at 08:20 PM
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p.4 #7 · 30/f1.4


jonbrach wrote (truncated):
I bought a 30 1.4 a few days ago from amazon for what seemed like a fair parice of 379.00 ...unfortunately it is on its way back to amazon... the low light focus was not up to par and to my eyes at least it was not as sharp as i was hoping for ... im gonna get myself a canon 35l ... more expensive yes for sure ... but simply better in all ways ... ive tried several non canon lenses and have always been disappointed


Ah, c'mon. That's like saying "I bought a Ford and it didn't go as fast or corner as well as I expected so I'm saving up for a Ferrari". They're totally different beasts - the 35L costs almost five times what the Sigma does.

I used mine properly for the first time last night at my friend's birthday party in a very dark bar. I was amazed at what it would focus on - certainly it got subjects that I'd have found difficult to do with my own eye. Will they all be bang-on focus? Probably not; but you have to realise that this is just a piece of electronic equipment. It's not a miracle in a box. There are limits as to what is possible, and focusing on low contrast areas in very dark places, well, that's hitting the limit.

Besides, isn't it the camera deciding what to focus on? The lens just does what the camera tells it to do - it has no focusing intelligence of its own. If the Sigma doesn't focus, why should any other lens given the same light?



Dec 10, 2005 at 08:48 PM
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p.4 #8 · 30/f1.4


I dont want to be argumentative but the 35l is 3 times as expensive not 5...i owned a 35l and sold it thinking i coud get by with a less expensive substitute...beleive me,the 35l is head and shoulders better than the 30 1.4....i say that sadly because i truly wanted the sigma to be good enough to save me the money...it isnt...period...if the sigma had been 90% of the canon 35l i would have kept it but as i said earlier i just couldnt trust the focus especially lowlight focus.i know people say that if you send the lens back to sigma or go through several lenses eventually you will recieve a good copy....sorry,i have no patience for that and no confidence.The only non canon lens ive owned that performed well enough for me to use was a tamron 28-75..other than that i have been disappointed over and over...i take my photography too seriously to accept an obviously inferior product...


Dec 10, 2005 at 10:58 PM
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p.4 #9 · 30/f1.4


jonbrach wrote:
I dont want to be argumentative but the 35l is 3 times as expensive not 5...i owned a 35l and sold it thinking i coud get by with a less expensive substitute...beleive me,the 35l is head and shoulders better than the 30 1.4....i say that sadly because i truly wanted the sigma to be good enough to save me the money...it isnt...period...if the sigma had been 90% of the canon 35l i would have kept it but as i said earlier i just couldnt trust the focus especially lowlight focus.i know people say that if you send the lens back
...Show more

Kudos. If you're that serious about it then no question you should invest the money in the best you can get... which is the Canon L. But I do think for those who don't absolutely *need* the best, the Sigma (a good copy) is an excellent performer, especially for the price.



Dec 10, 2005 at 11:31 PM
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p.4 #10 · 30/f1.4


Don't get me wrong, if I had all the money in the world I'd own a 35L as well. I just don't want prospective 30mm buyers to be put off with talk of "it's not as good as the 35L" when the two lenses are different beasts altogether. The 30mm is a great lens. The 35L is a stellar lens - but it's x times as expensive, depending on where you live. (Canon Australia list price for the 35L: $2879 / Sigma 30mm: $600 = 4.8x.)


Dec 11, 2005 at 05:58 PM
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p.4 #11 · 30/f1.4


Exactly! Nobody said this replaces the 35L - It's $380 US. Far as I'm concerned, if you want to compare this to a Canon offering, it would be the 35 f/2. For an extra $130 you gain a full stop, HSM, FTM focus, a case, hood, and 3 additional years of warranty.

It's not the "L", but it's still a 'ell of a lens.

jen729w wrote:
Don't get me wrong, if I had all the money in the world I'd own a 35L as well. I just don't want prospective 30mm buyers to be put off with talk of "it's not as good as the 35L" when the two lenses are different beasts altogether. The 30mm is a great lens. The 35L is a stellar lens - but it's x times as expensive, depending on where you live. (Canon Australia list price for the 35L: $2879 / Sigma 30mm: $600 = 4.8x.)




Dec 11, 2005 at 10:39 PM
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p.4 #12 · 30/f1.4


Let's spice this up with a 35L shot at f/1.4!

http://www.pbase.com/image/53452953.jpg



Dec 12, 2005 at 01:09 AM
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p.4 #13 · 30/f1.4


Evolution -- its a cataract, not an infection. It can be operated on ... if you were so inclined $$$.

Sal -- good to see you again plugging away for the 30/1.4. I ended up selling mine and getting the 35L after lots of consideration. I think I regret it a little. Good lens, but aps-c only. Im now thinking the sig 28mm instead.

here's another plug at my previous comparison b/w the 35L and the 30/14 . Its not real scientific, but it does show the edges get blured a bit in comparison to the L.






Dec 14, 2005 at 05:40 PM
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p.4 #14 · 30/f1.4


suchs wrote:
Evolution -- its a cataract, not an infection. It can be operated on ... if you were so inclined $$$.

Sal -- good to see you again plugging away for the 30/1.4. I ended up selling mine and getting the 35L after lots of consideration. I think I regret it a little. Good lens, but aps-c only. Im now thinking the sig 28mm instead.

here's another plug at my previous comparison b/w the 35L and the 30/14 . Its not real scientific, but it does show the edges get blured a bit in comparison to the L.


I was referring to the red ring around the eye, not the actual cataract. He has cataracts in both eyes, but it's nothing we'd put him through an operation for... he's almost 15.



Dec 14, 2005 at 05:48 PM
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p.4 #15 · 30/f1.4


Received my 30 1.4 two days now.
Short version: I am sending it back, and then wait for a couple of weeks to think it over.

Long version:

Exterior: (5/5) The EX-paint is very nice. It is small. Hood EX-painted as well.

Interface: (3/5) Focus ring: kind of grinding when compared to the silky smooth 70-200 4L. When/IF I get a replacement, I will see if this is a sample specific issue.

Focus: (0/5) We all know f1.8 means limited DOF. Couple that to incosistant focusing and a back focusing tendancy, and you have a deal breaker. My sample is BF whenever it chooses to do so! Before flaming me, read my test method: Tripod mounted 350D, ruller 45 deg. Focus manually to infinity, then autofocus at the 15cm marker, take the shot. Then focus manually to minimum distance, autofocus at the 15cm marker, then take the shot. Last night it was backfocusing constantly by 4cm.
Mind you, I am not a pixel peeper, I would have not done a test like that if I had not a problem with the first snaps I took. I have never done this test to the 70-200 f4 or the tokina 12-24.
Packed the lens back, nice and all and went to sleep/work next day etc. Since I will hand myself the lens back to the local store somming Monday, I figured I could do another ruller test. The thing is alive, probably overheard my conversation with the store, and tried to pull itself back together. Bottom line, same test, same ruller, same camera, and now the 15cm mark is spot on!
This got me into thinking of giving it a sevond chance. So I went for a walk around the block, and did a little window-shooting. My verdict: the lens can has a certain incosistancy. One moment it picks up a hair of a doll, the next it is missing by half a meter. This baby is going back.

Optical Quality: (4/5) Given the price tag, and the fact that it is the only alternative to a fast normal lens for 1.6crops, I should not complain here. But I will. It is a prime, it covers only 1.6 crop, and it costs as much as the 50 1.4 does: then it should perform as well as the full frame counterpart. My first impressions are that it does not. I will blame my sample and limited time I had to try it out, and wait for the next one (/if..) I liked the colors, I liked the center sharpness, don't expect tack sharp 1.4. The rating 4/5 is a good thing in my book.

Bokeh: (2/5) I sliced from the optical quality bokeh for one reason: there IS a problem concerning off focus highlights. Off focus PLANES are nicely rendered. No weird corners or imbalances. Nothing to write home about, but this in nothing new. The problem lies in the details..
The Off Focus Highlight's are changing shape according to the distance from the center of the frame. BIG OFH dead center are round, and they become cones as they head towards the edges. SMALL OFH dead center are points, and become arches as they head towards the edges. I will post two pics that show the effect.
The first is resized, no post processing. Notice the BIG OFH as you look towards the top right corner. Then spot the red small OFH arch like shaped in the top right extreme border.
The second is a crop of the top/top_right part of another photo.
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Pff..Christmas.. they sure picked the wrong season to launch this lens, with all the sparkling lights out there!!!

Will I buy an other one? I think I will wait for a week or so before I decide on this. I mean, there is no alternative and the 30 1.2L is nowhere near my budget! Tokina/canon/tamron any other takers? Any rumor running on dpreview? ;-)


Edited by kanenas on Dec 16, 2005 at 09:12 AM GMT



Dec 15, 2005 at 07:40 PM
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p.4 #16 · 30/f1.4


Hey fellow Sigma 30 1.4ers, over at https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/324790 I was trying to figure out if there is a batch of Sigma's that are no good. kaneas, can you tell me your serial, you can pm if you want.

So far I only have a sample size of 4 lenses, 2 bad ones are both 10017**, and 2 non-10017** are good versions. So, if anyone wanted to chime in with good or bad versions and their serial numbers I'd appreciate it.

It just seems like a great lens to be ruined by a bad batch out there, if that is the case. Mine doesn't seem to focus that well, and it squeaks so much while focusing from close to infinity that it is embarrassing for a $60 lens, let alone a $375 one.



Dec 16, 2005 at 12:52 AM
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p.4 #17 · 30/f1.4


s/n: 1007***


Dec 16, 2005 at 11:55 AM
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python2000 wrote:
It just seems like a great lens to be ruined by a bad batch out there, if that is the case. Mine doesn't seem to focus that well, and it squeaks so much while focusing from close to infinity that it is embarrassing for a $60 lens, let alone a $375 one.


I would say you have a broken lens, whatever the cost. Don't waste your time comparing serial numbers, just send it back. Since my copy is excellent in all regards, I know there must be other good copies out there.



Dec 16, 2005 at 01:26 PM
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p.4 #19 · 30/f1.4


Thanks Sal, I have already confirrmed with Amazon that a replacement is coming. I just wanted to help myself and others be able to get a grip on a Build issue that may hurt the reputation of the lens. I say the more happy owners the better :-)


Dec 16, 2005 at 02:23 PM
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p.4 #20 · 30/f1.4


I got a bad sample and had to return it instead of dealing with the hassle of shipping it back and forth to Sigma.

The lens looked like it was built very solid. It was very sharp when using MF, but AF was a disaster, even when using just the center focus point. I can't image Sigma would have such bad quality control for an EX lens. Is it possible that there is an issue in the design of this lens such that it does not survive shipping very well? It comes with its own padded EX case, but UPS/USPS/FEDEX do not necessarily treat cardboard boxes very gently...

Sigh...



Dec 16, 2005 at 06:09 PM
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