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p.2 #1 · Hartblei TS lenses on Canon


Diane:

Are you looking at this page: http://www.kievcamera.com/hartblei.shtml

These are all medium format lens and do not come with a mount for Canon. Hartblei does make a few 35mm versions that can be had with an EOS mount. I don't see the listing for the 35mm FL though -- the widest I see is 65mm (80 @ f2.8).

For a lens with a canon mount you don't need an adapter but for the medium format lens what you need is an adapter that mechanically connects the lens to the camera (there are no electrical connections). Since the space from the mount of an MF lens to the sensor/film plane is much larger than on a Canon there's lots of room for an adapter.

You don't need the shift adapter to use the TS lens as a tilt-shift lens on your Canon, pretty much any adapter will do. I wanted it so that I could shift in two directions at once and I think the original poster wanted the Zork (also a shifting adapter) so that he could shift further than the lens itself allows.

I was going to give Kiev until tomorrow and try them again. If you look at the thread I started (Panoramas and TS) there is some discussion about other options and in fact I just added another one.

Doug



Jun 26, 2006 at 09:37 AM
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p.2 #2 · Hartblei TS lenses on Canon


Thanks Doug, I'm actually looking at this page
http://www.kievcamera.com/product.php?ID=175
and where it says "...You can use this lens with Mamiya 645 ( P6/Mamiya adapter is $20) Pentax 645 ( $35)
Or any 35mm cameras such as Canon EOS, Nikon AI, Pentax K, Yashika
It offers a full 12 millimeters of shift up and down or side to side"

So what I would need would just be an adapbot for MF mount (would one have to choose one?) to EOS mount?. Guess I wlll do some searches of this forum for what others find works best--if I decide to go this route.

Then again, since I'm going to have to buy an adaptor plus the $725, maybe I'm getting close enough to the cost of the Canon 45 TSE to reconsider it again LOL--but I would lose the flexibility to use tilt/shift more flexibility..



Jun 26, 2006 at 09:45 AM
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p.2 #3 · Hartblei TS lenses on Canon


Diane:

That's the same lens I ordered and it DOES require an adapter. It is a medium format lens. The adapters are cheap and as I noted above you don't need a shifting adapter. You need to specify the mount on the lens (Mamiya 645, Pentax 645, Pentacon 6, etc) and then also order an adapter that goes from your chosen MF mount to Canon EOS. I picked pentacon 6 for 2 reasons --> one is that it is the only mount usable with the cheap shift adapter and, two, because the P6 mount can be adapted to the Pentax or Mamiya mounts.

The medium format lens has a larger image circle and in theory at least could provide good results using it on a 35mm camera as the smaller size would keep the image in the sweet spot, even at maximum shift.

For the prices look on ebay first -- I was charged the ebay price though I called them direct and was instructed to order through the regular website (it didn't make sense at the time either). Kiev either doesn't update the website very often or the prices are rather variable. I am supposed to pay (they haven't charged VISA yet) 599 (US$) for the lens. EBAY link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/HARTBLEI-45mm-F3-5-Super-Rotator-Kiev-88-CM-Kiev-60-P6_W0QQitemZ7627356152QQihZ017QQcategoryZ710QQcmdZViewItem

If you aren't going to use the lens for panoramas (with lots of shift) and don't require both shift and rise (for architectural panoramas) you may very well be happier with the Canon TSE lens. I was comparing more to the 24mm TSE which just wasn't going to do it. The Canon 45mm (and 90) TSE's are reputedly much sharper than the 24 and appear to have much less distortion. The Canon's come up used quite often on the buy and sell forum.

Doug


Edited by Doug Morgan on Jun 26, 2006 at 07:36 AM GMT



Jun 26, 2006 at 10:01 AM
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That's very helpful information Doug--and now I do understand. I thought I would have to specify the lens mount--and now I know. I can see where the larger image circle would certainly be a benefit also. That's a consideration.

Kiev had told me to order through the site also---but then when I called 2 weeks later---they had no record of me ordering--though I did it exactly the way they told me (since its not on the page---I had to do it through email). Now I've been talking to Veronica there and she's supposed to alert me when the lens comes in and before they charge my CC.

Diane



Jun 26, 2006 at 10:19 AM
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p.2 #5 · Hartblei TS lenses on Canon


Veronica is a busy woman. My lens is supposedly on the way directly to Canada from the Ukraine and the charges are supposed to appear tomorrow.

We shall see....
Doug



Jun 26, 2006 at 10:22 AM
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