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p.1 #1 · How I got into SportsShooter


Ok guys, here it is. I figured with all the talk on SportsShooter, I would show you guys exactly what I put up as my work for SportsShooter to see. I'm also gonna rant and give some advice. Do what you want with the info.

First, here is the gallery I posted for my sponsor to see:
http://www.mackstyle.net/MaxS/

Guys, make a gallery. Seriously. I didn't know what kind of guy my sponsor was, and I figured I'd take the safe route and post a link to a site, to avoid sending him a bunch of loose files, to avoid having his email bounce it back days later while I wondered why I received no feedback. It, even in this basic state, is an organized way of showing off my work, and I wanted to facilitate the viewing for my sponsor. Remember, he's doing me the favor of looking at it, and vouching for me to the peeps at SS.

Once I got in, you need to make your own SS page. They could still at this point deny my application, so again, I took it serious. I reedited every photo I wanted in from the original file instead of just resizing the ones I had in my gallery. Why? Because, I didn't want anyone catching on that I had shortcutted anything and then felt maybe I was too lazy to get in. Was I paranoid? Maybe. Did I make it in? Yes. Was it worth the worry? Totally.

http://www.mackstyle.net/gallery.zip

I spellchecked the captions. I thought them over and over. I decided to keep it simple, but I had read what others wrote as captions, and tried to stick to the basics.

Anyhow, I hope this has helped. And I do have some words of advice.

1) Make a gallery. Show your potential sponsor A LOT of photos. The 10 you think are great might not even register on their scale, but the ones you might not have thought of posting really click in their mind.

2) Respect their opinion. They are objective critics, you are not. You add a certain sentiment to your work (I hope), and tend to defend your work zealously. I know a few of the photos were ones I felt should be shoe-ins did not work for my sponsor. I asked why and he stated it pretty matter of factly. He was right. I remember one shot I loved, because it was the first time I got an image straight out of the camera that matched exactly what I saw. I still love seeing that image. Guess what? Noone cares.

3) Take it pretty seriously. SportsShooter, like any club or group with standards, sets them as a way of weeding out the less serious folks. Honestly, they don't need you, but you do want to be a part of them, so guess who has to listen to who. I would. If you don't agree with this or any of their other rules or regulations, then don't join. It's no shame. SportsShooter is NOT for everyone.

4) Your SportsShooter page is the initial representation you put out for others to see. It is what others will use to form opinions of your work. While I may post here regularly, I only take some of the best shots for posting on my SS page. Do I always choose THE best shots? No, I'm human. But I will say that I try to be even more scrutinous with my updates than I am with what I post here.

And now, if you don't have a good amount of work to post, or need to improve a bit, no shame in that, but here's my advice to you about that

Shoot a lot. And have a gameplan in mind. All the pro's here always have a hit list or a necessary shot list every time they go to an event. They write down a list of their goals, and strive to acheive that. For you shooters that are looking for SS quality work, this is what I think:

Take the shots that were almost there, and look at what you did right, and what you did wrong. Now strive for the same shot, only eliminate the wrong. Simple eh?

I tell people this all the time. I say "You had the right idea, but you missed a detail, so don't miss it next time".

Anyhow, that's all I can say on the matter. But please, don't take what I say as the end all be all way to join SportsShooter,. Form your own opinions, listen to what others have to say. I'm just posting this so people can see how I did it, not how it needs to be done. All the advice is just that: advice. It's not a rulebook, it's just my take on things.

Hope this has helped. Enjoy.

Max



Sep 20, 2005 at 01:29 AM
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p.1 #2 · How I got into SportsShooter


Very interesting, Max. And, you should really appreciate your sponsor. I try to be helpful, but there probably hasn't been a day in years where I could have critiqued that much stuff for you.

If others of you are finding the same amount of help...I can only be awed. I barely have enough time to edit and send my own stuff!




Sep 20, 2005 at 02:30 AM
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p.1 #3 · How I got into SportsShooter


Nick, I do appreciate his help. I still keep in touch on a regular basis. Oh and he didnt critique it all. I just asked him to pick the good ones. We did briefly speak on why he didnt like some I thought should have been picked, and he made some valid points. I didn't see it then, but I see that now.

I'm looking at it now, and I'm amazed at what I got in with. If it wasn't for basketball, I wouldn't even have thought of trying to join knowing what I do now.

Max



Sep 20, 2005 at 02:41 AM
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p.1 #4 · How I got into SportsShooter


Max, same goes for joining without a sponsor. Just use people you know in the business and the forums here at FM to help you get your shots in order. Not all the critiques will help you select the photos, but should help you to see what you need to do or not do.

Very good info Max.



Sep 20, 2005 at 02:56 AM
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p.1 #5 · How I got into SportsShooter


wow, impressive and lots of work. i just sent ten shots in--that was it as i remember it. I only used non-pro sports, but that was awhile ago. maybe it is harder now. i don't envy one having to go thru all that work. a great site though.


Sep 20, 2005 at 02:59 AM
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p.1 #6 · How I got into SportsShooter


Max thanks for that post, definatley a help to me for the future


Sep 20, 2005 at 06:33 AM
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p.1 #7 · How I got into SportsShooter


Very informative post Max, thanks for taking the time to do this for anyone interested in joining over there (me). Another excellent contribution to go with the many others you have given here.


Sep 20, 2005 at 06:57 AM
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p.1 #8 · How I got into SportsShooter


Thanks for the great info and for the fantastic shots. Seeing your photos really makes me realise how far I have to go with my shots. I haven't captured anything near the quality that you did. In fact, I can't say that I have seen any better. You really do a great job! Thanks for your support in the forum.


Sep 20, 2005 at 08:39 AM
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p.1 #9 · How I got into SportsShooter


Did I make it in? Yes. Was it worth the worry? Totally

Have you gotten any assignments as a result of your membership?




Sep 20, 2005 at 08:40 AM
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p.1 #10 · How I got into SportsShooter


Max - Excellent write-up. Thanks for showing your starting galleries, it will give people a good idea what level people should be at when looking to join SS.

Cheers!
Ken



Sep 20, 2005 at 09:07 AM
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p.1 #11 · How I got into SportsShooter


So, how do you go about finding a sponsor? I live in the sticks and shoot for a couple of weekly papers twenty miles apart. Not many "pros" around here


Sep 20, 2005 at 09:27 AM
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p.1 #12 · How I got into SportsShooter


I don't think it's a requirement that you meet "face to face" with your sponsor. With todays DSL speeds ... files can be moved fast and discussions done via MSN or e-mail.

Nice write-up Max.

Richard



Sep 20, 2005 at 11:09 AM
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I thought I'd share what I used when I applied before sponsors were needed (11/13/03). Just to go along with what has been said in other threads... you don't need to be shooting different types of sports to get in, but you do need a variety of shots. You also don't need to be shooting as a credentialed photographer to get high-quality images... several of the shots were taken as a spectator (no special access), yet even after shooting two events with credentials were still some of the stronger images in my protfolio. All of these shots had captions when submitted, but I don't have them anymore... so just imagine a who, what, when, where, why for each one. Remember that your portfolio is only as strong as the weakest image(s).

http://homepage.mac.com/tcorzett/Other/SS/image_01.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/tcorzett/Other/SS/image_02.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/tcorzett/Other/SS/image_03.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/tcorzett/Other/SS/image_x2.jpg
(note: this image was taken when I was a spectator... )

http://homepage.mac.com/tcorzett/Other/SS/image_05.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/tcorzett/Other/SS/image_06.jpg
(note: this image was taken when I was a spectator... )

http://homepage.mac.com/tcorzett/Other/SS/image_07.jpg
(note: this image was taken when I was a spectator... )

http://homepage.mac.com/tcorzett/Other/SS/image_08.jpg
(note: second weakest photo IMO)

http://homepage.mac.com/tcorzett/Other/SS/image_09.jpg
(note: weakest photo IMO)

http://homepage.mac.com/tcorzett/Other/SS/image_10.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/tcorzett/Other/SS/IMG_0206.jpg

John--G wrote:
Have you gotten any assignments as a result of your membership?


Yes. But it's not only about assignments, it's about having a link with other working professionals when you have questions. They have saved my butt quite a few times when working with clients... not to mention the assignments and sales that have come through them.

-Todd...




Sep 20, 2005 at 11:13 AM
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p.1 #14 · How I got into SportsShooter


A sponsor is not needed but it does make it harder. While DSL and broadband is great, nothing beats a one on one, face to face meeting. If you are not near a senior ss member, then yes, online is one way to go about finding one (do not publicly ask for one here at FM. Ask a member you know via PM or email) reviewing and selecting your images and then submitting them is one way to do it. Personally, I am proud of the fact that, even though I had a few people who would have sponsored me, I made it on my own. No other senior members were close to me, so instead of bugging these guys, I chose to do it myself.


Sep 20, 2005 at 12:04 PM
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p.1 #15 · How I got into SportsShooter


Nothing against a sponsor in anyway, but I personally feel that its best to select your own shots. If I simply say heres 100 photos that I think are good, and have someone else pick the ones that they think are the best, or that will get me accepted, it would take some of the experience away.

I would want be proud of the fact that I selected images that I really belived in, that I think show MY best work, and if those images get me accepted, then I can take all the credit.

Its a tough thing in photography. I do a bit of commercial work as well, and you have to balance shooting for what you feel your client, or editor, or in this case review board will like, but still keeping your own sense of style.

I have actually shot some assignments before where I personally didnt like the images, but I thought they were the style the client would like. As it turns out the client didnt like them because they werent in the style I shoot that made them want me in the first place, if that makes sense.

In basically, If you have a shot you love and shot it loose, dont go making some real tigh crop you dont like, just because you think it will make others happy as an example.

Guys like Dave Black blazed their own path and shoot what they belive in and its taken them much farther than if they simply followed the tried and true.



Sep 20, 2005 at 01:01 PM
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p.1 #16 · How I got into SportsShooter


Great Post! Thanks for Sharing.


Sep 21, 2005 at 09:05 AM





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