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p.3 #1 · 5D: no ISO display on viewfinder?


losloslos,
i was wonderign what mountain is in your avatar?



Aug 24, 2005 at 12:30 AM
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p.3 #2 · 5D: no ISO display on viewfinder?


That's Fuji-san...with a weird upside-down-mirror-cloud on top of it...New Years day, 2002. I took it with a big ol' fancy cybershot F-55 http://www.ciao.co.uk/Sony_DSC_F55__Review_1437

It was too weird to pass up for lack of a good camera/lens. Its from what they call the "Masculine side" (by the town of Fuji, next to the sea). Kinda interesting to see 1000's of police in big black buses in the middle of nowhere in Japan...lots of bozozoku (biker gang types) go there traditionally and bomb up and down the mountain roads. The area is known for flowers hot houses, some tech, and of course the mountain and a beautiful lake, Kawaguchiko.

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Aug 24, 2005 at 12:37 AM
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p.3 #3 · 5D: no ISO display on viewfinder?


I can't believe this -- How hard is it really to check your cameras before you go out on a shoot.

Don't you ever check the Gas gauge before travelling or do you expect you car to give you one of those "Computerized Dalek like voices" A message --Warning .. Warning -- Gas Low.

Get real --just think how lucky in digital you are to be able to ALTER the ISO at will. Remember with film you either had to change the back if you had a camera with interchangeable backs or in general waste the rest of the roll (OK a few cameras could change film without wasting a roll but in general most shooters only had the choice of a back or another film).

It's such a trivial matter

The most Stupid feature I've ever seen however is on the 1D2 where the File name is displayed -- I'm sure the guys who thought that one up must have been on Holiday in Amsterdam resting in a "Coffee Shop" smoking those funny smelling cigarettes. --However in the 1D2's defence I really do like the little screen at the bottom --apart from the stupid file name it's really useful.

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-K




Aug 24, 2005 at 02:25 AM
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p.3 #4 · 5D: no ISO display on viewfinder?


peppue wrote:
As I went thru 5D specs, again I am disappointed by the fact
that ISO sensitivity is not displayed on the viewfinder info
status bar, the same as 300D, 350XT and 20D.




Apparently you are wrong. If you press the DRIVE/ISO button the ISO speed appears in the viewfinder. It's not a permanent view but the 20D doesn't have that feature at all.



Aug 24, 2005 at 08:56 AM
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This may sound weird to people who grew up on auto-everything, but after using Leicas for a while, I can usually guess from a scene what a CWA meter would give me for exposure. I'm usually within a stop of the right exposure. For film, or increasingly for RAW, that's good enough.

It takes time to build up that kind of intuition, and some might argue it is not exactly time well spent. I didn't build it up on purpose. With an M3, for example, you have an external meter on the 'accessory' shoe. You look at the meter, set aperture and
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Please...I still have my old C220. I couldn't afford a light meter (kept buying used ones that didn't work well.) I didn't learn on anything automatic and my 300D is my first autofocus camera.
I've actually seldom made the mistake of shooting at a higher ISO than intended. But, since I can change the shutter speed and aperture and see those changes in the viewfinder, I think it's entirely logical to be able to do the same with ISO (or, as I keep wanting to call it, ASA).

As far as this feature on the 5D is concerned, it's entirely moot for me. I can't put that kind of change in to a hobby. I do think though that Canon needs to come up to date with their thinking regarding ISO. They've given us this wonderful tool that is so good at low light that ISO is now the third dynamic variable we can control at will. Control of that variable should be at the same level of convenience and visibility as the other two.







Aug 24, 2005 at 09:12 AM
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Acording to Phil Askey, the ISO _does_ become visable in the viewfinder when you are pressing the Drive / ISO button. Althought not quite as good as an option to leave it on full time, you can check the ISO without taking your eye off the viewfinder and change it while keeping your eye glued to the action. I am liking this camera more and more ...


Aug 24, 2005 at 10:23 AM
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John Ferguson wrote:
Acording to Phil Askey, the ISO _does_ become visable in the viewfinder when you are pressing the Drive / ISO button. Althought not quite as good as an option to leave it on full time, you can check the ISO without taking your eye off the viewfinder and change it while keeping your eye glued to the action. I am liking this camera more and more ...


Cool. That's 90% to me.



Aug 24, 2005 at 10:25 AM
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Canon & Nikon still haven't joind the open format specs. Wonder what we have to do to convince them.

"Hasselblad has partnered closely with Adobe to make its new products fully compatible with Adobe’s raw image format DNG (‘Digital Negative’), bringing this new technology standard to the professional photographer for the first time. The DNG file format enables raw, compressed image files to be opened directly in Adobe Photoshop CS. "



Aug 24, 2005 at 12:08 PM
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p.3 #9 · 5D: no ISO display on viewfinder?


Kyle Yates wrote:
I can't believe this -- How hard is it really to check your cameras before you go out on a shoot.

Don't you ever check the Gas gauge before travelling or do you expect you car to give you one of those "Computerized Dalek like voices" A message --Warning .. Warning -- Gas Low.


Not an accurate analogy. A car designed like the 20D would require you to push a button to see the gas gauge at all.

A DSLR has three primary parameters for getting a proper exposure: Aperture, shutter speed, and ISO. Aside from suspect marketing theory, where exactly is the wisdom in hiding one of the three parameters in a "premium" DSLR? (But thank god we've now got a PictBridge button readily available and always visible right on the back panel of the 5D.)

Canon treats ISO like a "set and forget" function as if the 20D were a film camera, even though workflows have changed to incorporate ISO as a dynamic parameter. This is a fundamental conceptual design failing--not marketing brilliance.



Aug 24, 2005 at 01:15 PM
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zonkola wrote:
Canon treats ISO like a "set and forget" function as if the 20D were a film camera, even though workflows have changed to incorporate ISO as a dynamic parameter. This is a fundamental conceptual design failing--not marketing brilliance.



How many people actually change the ISO for each shot though ? I know I dont. I will set it based on the conditons Im shooting and pretty much not touch it for the rest of the assignment.

Basketball game? meter, set it, leave it. Light doesnt change. Shooting with strobes ? Meter, set it, leave it. Shooting landscapes ? Its always on ISO100, Shooting a wedding ? Meter for the room, set it, leave it

At the most, when Im doing some outdoor sporting events, I may start off at a lower ISO and as the light fades adjust the ISO but this is about the extent of things.


I just cant think of that many conditions where the light is changing that drastically shot to shot, or many times where it would make more sense to change the ISO than to just change the shutter speed in AV mode



Aug 24, 2005 at 01:32 PM
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I smell a full-time ISO displayed hack in the works...


Aug 24, 2005 at 01:39 PM
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p.3 #12 · 5D: no ISO display on viewfinder?


A handful of people in this one thread alone have mentioned that they adjust ISO often. If you search the forum for "ISO" and "viewfinder" you'll see that this is a very common request.

As an example, I recently shot a hot rod show where half of the cars were in direct sunlight and the other half were in a dark parking garage.




Aug 24, 2005 at 01:44 PM
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p.3 #13 · 5D: no ISO display on viewfinder?


Like I just wrote in another 5D post (I should have written it here), the 5D HAS iso setting in viewfinder, but only when pressing the ISO button, it is not a full time feature
This makes changing the ISO a lot easier : you can keep your eye on the viewfinder

Flappie



Aug 24, 2005 at 02:35 PM
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p.3 #14 · 5D: no ISO display on viewfinder?


Who changes ISO on every shot? Me!

I am in the basement, in the absolutely lowest levels light can be used to capture action, period. Flash is trash, so to speak, it ruins the color, the flavor...and it annoys artists. I am constantly struggling to stay off of H, that's the basic situation. Its a war beween DOF and H...if I shoot an angled shot (stage left or right, artists at an angle) then I have to give up DOF if that's the shot I want...and the ISO max's out, and THEN I wait for a "light-up" situation and bang two out and hope.

When not shooting the band/music type stuff, I, like Neil, will (as the sun is angling down) start to roll ISO up, to preserve my shutter speed (e.g. in sports situations)...often every couple minutes.

Photography used to be a 2-parameter situation (in terms of biggies) and now ISO is just as big as the other two. Hell, give me a knob, I know how to work that!

(To use SoCal parlance, wouldn't it be bitchin to have a digital F1 with AE finder? I think they call it a DMR )

G.



Aug 24, 2005 at 04:48 PM
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p.3 #15 · 5D: no ISO display on viewfinder?


It really depends on the specific shooting session, and it may vary from not having to change it at all to changing it every other shot. It's a vital statistic that needs to be accessible full-time, and it's also one of the key differentiators between shooting digital and shooting film. It's a fine example of new technology impacting how you do your business, because a key element that was impossible to change before is now immediately and quickly configurable.

Camera makers need to understand and implement this concept to full advantage. It reminds me of when exposure automation first became available. At first the exposure compensation was an afterthought that was clumsily implemented usually on the left side, requiring two hands to set and very hard to use. Contax was the first camera that set the control intelligently by the shutter release and easily accessible - it became an integral part of your shooting workflow and trully made exposure automation a practical tool.



Aug 24, 2005 at 06:56 PM
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p.3 #16 · 5D: no ISO display on viewfinder?


Maybe the major feature of the new 20D-N will be ISO display on the LCD


Aug 24, 2005 at 07:17 PM
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