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p.1 #1 · I don't shoot raw!


Hey guys,
As you may know I am in Rome: http://www.pbase.com/salim/rome and have had chance to talk to several PJs. The ones I have spoken to do not shoot raw. They need to send their photos asap and do not have the time to process them on their laptops. One of them was using the epson RD-1 that he loves. He takes the candid shots without alerting anyone.

That's it for now.

Salim



Apr 07, 2005 at 02:06 AM
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p.1 #2 · I don't shoot raw!


That's nice for them I guess. Everyone's different; hard to perjure anyone for workflow preferences if they are getting what they want.

That said... I don't shoot JPEG!

Arka C.



Apr 07, 2005 at 02:07 AM
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p.1 #3 · I don't shoot raw!


I hope they atleast shoot Adobe RGB...
I would shoot RAW and just batch convert them all, it wouldn't take long at all.



Apr 07, 2005 at 02:12 AM
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p.1 #4 · I don't shoot raw!


Yeh Most PJ's don't shoot RAW or shoot RAW+Jpeg and send the jpeg images to the office ASAP and then do the RAW Conversion later on for Archival purposes.

Its the same with sports photographers.



Apr 07, 2005 at 02:12 AM
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p.1 #5 · I don't shoot raw!


My teacher, a pro who teaches the odd class, shoots only JPG. He said he doesn't have time to bother with RAW, and he's pretty damn good at getting the pictures right in the camera. I shoot RAW because i'm not as good as him, yet, and RAW helps me save shots that wouldn't be good enough otherwise.


Apr 07, 2005 at 03:02 AM
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p.1 #6 · I don't shoot raw!


I try my best to shoot RAW when I can, as the 1D has a lot of noise at high ISO. I rarely if ever use it to "save" a photo that has been over or underexposed. I admit I used to use it for that purpose, but learned that it's always best to nail that exposure.

For every paying gig I have had, I need to shoot jpg. I don't think it is necessarily bad, I just feel that I'd like the extra quality of RAW when it comes to my own portfolio, and for printing reasons.

Max



Apr 07, 2005 at 03:16 AM
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p.1 #7 · I don't shoot raw!


Jpeg throws away pixels so the quality is just not going to ever be as good as a RAW\TIFF, I would rather shoot Raw and convert to jpeg becuse you have the RAW File there for future use!


Apr 07, 2005 at 03:19 AM
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p.1 #8 · I don't shoot raw!


Do what you feel is best for you. I used to shoot only JPEG but is now a RAW convert(er).


Apr 07, 2005 at 03:25 AM
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p.1 #9 · I don't shoot raw!


If there wasn't a demand for both formats the manufacturers wouldn't provide them. JPEG is smaller and easier to process. RAW requires more work but gives you better detail and dynamic range. Canon's RAW formats (at least the more recent ones) contain a medium sized JPEG anyway so it isn't hard to strip them out to separate files if you need something quick. Otherwise RAW+JPEG gives you the most flexibility.


Apr 07, 2005 at 04:19 AM
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p.1 #10 · I don't shoot raw!


This is just to show you how important it is to get the shot just right out of the camera and don't depent on postprocessing. Ofcouse this does not hold true for other types of photography when you want to have all the pixels in tact for optimal image quality.


Apr 07, 2005 at 04:21 AM
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p.1 #11 · I don't shoot raw!


semorg wrote:
This is just to show you how important it is to get the shot just right out of the camera and don't depent on postprocessing. Ofcouse this does not hold true for other types of photography when you want to have all the pixels in tact for optimal image quality.


There seems to be this popular connection of RAW with sloppy shooting and JPEG with "getting it right out of the camera"... I don't get that idea.

There's no contradiction between getting it right and using RAW. On the contrary, apart from potentially more detailed pictures you also get a larger margin for error in exposure and white balance. I don't see why that can be bad. Even if I try to "get it right" I make mistakes and sometimes shoot difficult scenes with a large dynamic range. Sometimes there's not time to set things up properly, like for wildlife or sports, and that extra margin has saved some hurried shots.



Apr 07, 2005 at 04:29 AM
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p.1 #12 · I don't shoot raw!


EOS20 wrote:
Jpeg throws away pixels so the quality is just not going to ever be as good as a RAW\TIFF, I would rather shoot Raw and convert to jpeg becuse you have the RAW File there for future use!


I agree with this point - right up to the point that you realise that you don't get 'hi-res photo quality' on a news paper, or even most magazines, so would any one actually notice the missing pixels ?

I shoot RAW 'almost' 100%, but if I was tight for time, and I knew the end product was going to be a newspaper, then I may just go with JPEG like they do.....



Apr 07, 2005 at 04:33 AM
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p.1 #13 · I don't shoot raw!


Of course PJs shoot JPEGs speed is what counts in Journalism. They need to get thier images processed and FTPed to thier papers ASAP. Yes you can get a better quality final produced by shooting RAW, but if the image isn't ready until an hour after a deadline it's close to worthless to the publication.

RAW shoot be used for it's creative possibilties not be cover for being lazy behind the lense.



Apr 07, 2005 at 04:42 AM
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p.1 #14 · I don't shoot raw!


lordarka wrote:
That's nice for them I guess. Everyone's different; hard to perjure anyone for workflow preferences if they are getting what they want.

That said... I don't shoot JPEG!

Arka C.


Well said, Arka, I don't shoot jpeg's either.

best



Apr 07, 2005 at 06:35 AM
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p.1 #15 · I don't shoot raw!


EOS20 wrote:
Jpeg throws away pixels ...


What pixels would those be, then?




Apr 07, 2005 at 07:03 AM
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p.1 #16 · I don't shoot raw!


JPEG, being a lossy compression format, throws away information but not pixels. Saving a nice sharp TIFF as JPEG results in a slight but noticable blurring of the image.


Apr 07, 2005 at 07:11 AM
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p.1 #17 · I don't shoot raw!


Like many others, for a long time, I made every excuse that I could to avoid shooting RAW, and I continued to shoot jpegs. It is, perhaps, a part of human nature to resist change and to avoid having to go through learning how to do something new, and shooting RAW does involve learning and developing (new) processing skills. Somewhere along the line, however, like many others, I had to accept the fact that, if I wanted to best finished product I could get, that I needed to shoot RAW. Shooting RAW does not eliminate the need to
"get it right" at the time you are shooting. If you are off by a stop and a half on your exposure, even shooting RAW, you are not going to be able to get back burned highlights or bring back shadow detail without introducing large amounts of noise. But, shooting RAW does give you more latitude and room for adjustment. As has already been said, in some types of shooting, such as
action wildlife shooting, you need to be able to react quickly to what is going on around you, and it isn't always possible to be perfect in your exposure as you are reacting to something that is happening in very different light than what you had a few seconds earlier.
What I also don't understand is the complaint about RAW taking more time. When I shoot RAW, making a few quick adjustments before conversion allows me to spend far less time working with the images in PS after conversion. My total time working on RAW images is no greater, and perhaps even less, than the amount of time I would be spending working with jpeg images. If the pictures are taken properly in the first place and if I've made the proper (and quick) adjustments, if needed, before conversion, I find that most images need little to be done to them after
conversion in PS. The only extra time that RAW takes me is the actual time that it takes to convert the images. With a converter like C1, however, that time is minimized. Since I can be converting images in the background while I'm still working on other images, by the time I've finished reviewing/adjusting the batch of RAW images, a big part of the batch has already been converted. Even if the whole batch has not been converted, I can start the finishing touches in PS of the images that have been converted while the converter is finishing the batch. The only place where I would see jpegs saving me time would be if I were sending the images off to somewhere else
without doing anything to them at all. If you are doing any editing/processing at all, RAW really doesn't take any more time than does jpeg to get it right. Many like to think that it does because, again, we look for excuses to avoid doing what we don't want to do.
So, like others have said, I don't shoot jpegs either, and I can't imagine that I will ever go back to shooting them.
Les



Apr 07, 2005 at 07:12 AM
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p.1 #18 · I don't shoot raw!


Dave B- It is a little known fact that you can save the pixels that jpeg's throw away. I keep them in a separate file and use them to perk up understaurated images. Create separate layers and drop in darker pixels on the lower layers. The lighter or mid range pixels go on the upper layers. You can also do a slight gussian blur, followed by 'find edges' to create doppleganger extrapolation on the odd numbered layers. Do a custom blend and then flatten the image. Save as a .gif and print only as a 20" x 24".

try it - you'll like it.

Jon F.



Apr 07, 2005 at 07:17 AM
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p.1 #19 · I don't shoot raw!


Nice Jon.


Apr 07, 2005 at 07:58 AM
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p.1 #20 · I don't shoot raw!


Jon, what do you use to sort and store the left-over pixels? A couple of months ago I started making a directory structure with one folder for each RGB value, but haven't finished setting it up quite yet. Just interested to hear if you have a better solution?

Thanks,
Anders



Apr 07, 2005 at 08:03 AM
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