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p.1 #1 · A7R6 and diffraction


My question is what is the optimal aperture for DoF vs diffraction on the A7R6?

My empirical testing suggests that f8 is about the pinnacle of the two curves intersecting for a typical landscape shot. Beyond that, diffraction seems to start negating the DoF gains. This is viewing at 100%. Things improve viewing at print size, possibly allowing f9 for a large print. I can actually see some loss when viewing at 100% going from f5.6 to f8, minimal but visible in central frame detail. I noted similar behavior with my GFX100 and its best lenses.

If I calculate DoF with a 50mm lens and this cams pixel pitch, f8 allows 25 feet to infinity; f9 adds 1 ft or 24ft to infinity; and if I want 20 ft to infinity, I need around f12.7, or accept compromising infinity focus. The problem here is diffraction can make the image worse than the DoF gained. Hence this presents a conundrum for me as a landscape shooter.

Obviously this problem has been here all along and I’m just better able to see it now. I also realize wider lenses may mitigate the issue while longer lenses accentuate it — for yet another conundrum. I am curious how others deal or plan to deal with this?

PS: historically I have never bothered focus-stacking, but may now need to experiment with it as one solution, so additionally curious to hear from folks that do this specifically with landscape style images.

PPS: I have used TS lenses in the past, but not interested in going that route now as I appreciate the added compositional flexibility I get from zooms.



Aug 18, 2026 at 12:27 PM
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p.1 #2 · A7R6 and diffraction


Putting aside the sensor-specific technical cutoff point between DOF/diffraction, I'd say the decision is scene and/or artistic-intent dependent. For some scenes, it's more important to maximize DOF, for others sharpness is more important. When both are important then focus stacking.

I'd argue that for the vast majority of images, DOF is more important than sharpness - not many images will be ruined by an overall decrease in sharpness but the same cannot be said for insufficient DOF, particularly when the details of both near and far subjects are equally important to the artistic intent.



Aug 18, 2026 at 12:50 PM
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p.1 #3 · A7R6 and diffraction


Most people are not going with an Airy disc more than 2x the pixel pitch.
If you have really sharp lenses then maybe even less than that, like 1.5.
In practice f/7.1 is as far as I like to go, but sometimes you need DOF.
Keep in mind that the IQ does not deteriorate with the number of pixels, it just does not improve system resolution.
Focus bracketing and software POV correction have killed the market for new T/S designs.

EBH



Aug 18, 2026 at 12:54 PM
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p.1 #4 · A7R6 and diffraction


I think that it is worth understanding, at least roughly, the diffraction-limited aperture for a given format and photo site density. Usually it won’t really matter in a practical way, but in a moment i’ll mention where it could.

As to the question of how sharp is sharp enough, looking at images at 100% or 200$ magnification is arguably kind of irrelevant. I’ll cop to doing that and being impressed (or less impressed) with how much detail we can get from a modern sensor and good modern lenses. But unless you are making some quite incredibly large prints you’ll never be able to see the difference between the performance of The World’s Best Lens and The Perfect Aperture.

So, most of the time, getting the DOF you want is going to be way more important than squeezing out a tiny bit of extra resolution at the diffraction-limited aperture.

There’s also another issue, something that I refer to as “subjective” sharpness. The literal objective optical sharpness is not the only thing that gives the viewer cues that say “this is sharp.” For example, a photograph of a flower that might not be utterly, perfectly, 200% magnification pin-sharp will look very sharp if it is set against a lovely bokeh-soft background and if the flower is brighter and perhaps more colorful than that background.

Likewise, a landscape photograph where the primary subjects are within a reasonable DOF range and thus look pretty darned sharp, even if the DOF table and diffraction-limited aperture calculation says things might be less than optimal, can look sharper than an images shot at a slightly larger aperture which, exactly in the plane of focus, achieves slightly better maximum focus.

Of course, if you really want to go for deep DOF and optimal focus you get some lens that is great across the frame at the diffraction-limited aperture, and then you do careful focus bracketing. That has its pluses and minuses…



Aug 18, 2026 at 03:37 PM
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p.1 #5 · A7R6 and diffraction


Re: "what is the optimal aperture for DoF vs diffraction on the A7R6" - Jack Hogan extensively studied the question of best aperture f/number for best DoF for different shooting scenarios, in the 24 to 35mm FL. He published at least two long and detailed articles on the subject, see
https://www.strollswithmydog.com/dof-and-diffraction-24mm-landscape/#more-4086
https://www.strollswithmydog.com/diffracted-dof-aperture-guides-24-35mm/#more-4206

At 24mm, he found f/10 - "if you want 'acceptable sharpness' nearest to the camera, regardless of focus distance (this often coincides with best DOF)."
However, look at Figure 2 in the first article. This shows how the f/number depends on the focusing distance. For example, "if the main subject is 7 m away, the f/stop working range ... is from a minimum of f/5 to a maximum of f/9, with f/5 maximizing resolution at the subject and f/9 at a distance far away, taken to be 1 km." In this case (focusing at 7 m with a 24mm lens) the compromise is at f/6.3.

At 35mm, he suggested that f/11 is the uppermost number for the DOF, and it would make no practical sense to further close the lens. Thus, Jack noted "for me, it seems that I will no longer be stopping down past f/11. For additional reinforcement, a pen pal who saw my post kindly wrote to say that legendary adventurer-photographer Galen Rowell taught him back in the ’90s to use f/11 and to focus in the foreground, typically 1.5-2m (4-6′ away)." “One reason Galen emphasized forward focus is that this let infinity go just a bit on the soft side, and provided an additional depth cue”.

If a simple statement should be made, then one can say that the apertures optimized for both DOF and sharpness for landscapes (24 - 35 mm) are somewhere in the f/8 to f/11 range (1 stop of a difference between the two limits), and understandably depending on the focusing distance.

Regarding diffraction in general, this is part of the photographic equivalence considerations. Basically, the onset of diffraction is detectable in equivalent images at equivalent apertures. In my experience, that seems to be similar to yours, the onset of diffraction is seen at f8 with FF cameras. Thus the onset of diffraction should be expected at f4 with micro-four-thirds cameras, or f10 with the GFX100S II.



Aug 18, 2026 at 04:05 PM
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p.1 #6 · A7R6 and diffraction


Sharpness is a planar phenomenon, pure and simple. All bets are off once you leave the plane of actual focus. Some lenses have such a steady fall into deeper (ex-DOF) focus that they mimic greater DOF. Some lenses use detail retention as visual cues in the advancing bokeh field to do the same.

There is a school of thought that the sharper the lens at the plane, the greater the visual loss of detail off the plane. After all, that is the sales line for APO lenses, which no one appears to have talked about re their use for landscapes.

Also, designers have the ability to extend DOF beyond what the DOF tables indicate, and this may be the first you have heard of that effect too, but it's real. It's gaining ground in cine right now, along with carefully graduated focus fade, for more vision-friendly imagery.

The reason we just use the word 'bokeh' is that no body of literature deals with it - it's just 'blurry background' to them, if it does not offend then it's fine - end of story for the greater part of most images.

In the end, while it's nice to have the security blanket of formulae, DOF in a final image is a visual construct, it looks fine or it does not.

Designers are only starting to consider these issues. Lloyd Chambers used to say we need high end (like Otus) dedicated f4 landscape lenses, I agree with him. Buy once, a done deal!

It appears to be true that more landscape images are lost to insufficient DOF than to lens diffraction. Furthermore, many lenses settle down and exhibit flatter fields at smaller apertures, typically f8. In the Contarex era, Carl Zeiss cared less about MTF levels and targeted flat fields (shown in flat MTF at high spatial frequencies) as their priority. Images may look better than the wider aperture setting you may use. Also, some are more disturbed by FC than others.

Aperture bracketing might be the best advice, I do this. Stacking requires a consistent flat field, and that is pretty uncommon - see Fred's FC graphics or use PS to see this play out.

You might like this, gdan:

'the Leica APO-Summicron-SL 35mm f/2 ASPH (and the broader APO-Summicron-SL prime line) is engineered to deliver contrast rendition and spot sizes so close to theoretical perfection that its wide-open performance at f/2 is considered effectively diffraction-limited.' Why stop down? cheers.



Aug 18, 2026 at 04:18 PM
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p.1 #7 · A7R6 and diffraction


The people that actually care about this simply stack focus (3 to 4 shots). Most lenses are going to be sweetest between f5.6 and f8, and some of these new fast lenses are actually best by around f4.

I carry a 3 stop ND for those situations that might tempt me into f16 otherwise.



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p.1 #8 · A7R6 and diffraction


While the a7rVI will hit diffraction a bit sooner than the a7rV and a7rIV, it's probably not enough to matter in most real world situations, so those cameras may be a good guideline.

Technically speaking, besides balancing depth of field and diffraction, you also have lens sharpness to contend with. Some lenses hit peak sharpness before diffraction kicks in, for example, the Sony 50mm f1.2 hits peak sharpness around f4: https://www.lenstip.com/601.4-Lens_review-Sony_FE_50_mm_f_1.2_GM_Image_resolution.html

Personally, with the a7rIV, I find around f5.6 to be the sweet spot with most lenses for sharpness, and ideally I like to stay between f4-f8 for landscapes when possible.



Aug 18, 2026 at 04:30 PM
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p.1 #9 · A7R6 and diffraction


I keep things simple. My general “rules of thumb” are more or less as follows:

1. If DOF isn’t an issue — say with a shot where all elements are in a relatively flat plane parallel to the sensor — I’ll just use whatever aperture I think will give me more or less the sharpness image overall. That would likely be close to thee diffraction-limited aperture, though the capabilities of your lens (corners sharp, etc.) might offset things a bit.

2. If I want the narrowest possible DOF I’ll likely just open up all the way… though often something a bit less than narrowest makes more sense — so let’s just say I open up to get the effect I want. Might I lose a bit of sharpness in the center? Could be. Does it make much difference? Rarely. Is corner sharpness loss at the largest aperture a bit deal? Rarely, if your shot is about contrasting the relative sharpness of a central subject with softness of surrounding and background (and possibly foreground) elements.

3. If I need more DOF I’ll stop down to f/11 with no worries at all. You can make a very large and very sharp print from most f/11 shots even if they are technically not quite as sharp as using a larger aperture closer to the diffraction-limited aperture. I will use f/16 without a lot of concern if the extra bit of DOF is more important to the shot that the slight loss of sharpness. in the final image after post-processing. I would only very rarely use f/22, and then only if I’m willing to accept that lowered sharpness spotential.

Other stuff comes into play.

For example, using long focal lengths for things like landscape may make an aperture that is sharp enough with a shorter focal length work far less well. (The distant subjects are larger relative to close subjects, so any softness may be more visible.) Of course, the opposite may be true with very wide lenses.

In situations where I need scene elements at a very wide range of distances to be sharp, I have a couple of options at my disposal. I occasionally use a medium format zoom lens on a TS adapter. I also sometimes do focus bracketing.

That’s it. Works for me.

Finally, a reminder of something that at least some people seem to lose track of. Higher sensor resolution does not increase blur at any aperture. For example, if you set up a 16MP FF camera and a 60mp FF camera side by side, put your lens on teh 16MP camera and made an exposure at some aperture, and then moved the lens to the 60MP camera, left the lens at the same aperture, and made an exposure with it… and then printed both images at the same size… they would have…

… exactly the same amount of diffraction blur. There is no more (or less) blur in either case.

Diffraction is an optical thing, not a sensor thing. We could say three things about this experiment:

1. As above, the “size” of the diffraction will be identical in both cases.

2. The higher resolution camera, while not producing any more diffraction, will record the lens diffraction more accurately.

3. In some cases, when you can use a very good lens at an aperture that is larger than the diffraction-limited aperture on teh 16MP example, and close to or equal to the diffraction-limited aperture on the higher MP camera, the higher MP camera has an advantage of a bit more potential sharpness.

OK, one more thing. Regardless of all that, there are other potential pluses from the higher MP camera, too. For example, it might give you slightly smoother gradients. The “grain size” of any noise will be smaller and potentially a bit less visible. If pixelation becomes an issue with a (very!) large print, it will occur at a somewhat larger size with the higher resolution sensor.

Whew…

Apologies tor the long post, but some things aren’t as simple as a one-sentence post. There are things that interact, there are misconceptions, there are pluses and minuses to choices. Photographers are always weighing these things.



Aug 18, 2026 at 11:05 PM
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p.1 #10 · A7R6 and diffraction


snapsy wrote:
Putting aside the sensor-specific technical cutoff point between DOF/diffraction, I'd say the decision is scene and/or artistic-intent dependent. For some scenes, it's more important to maximize DOF, for others sharpness is more important. When both are important then focus stacking.

I'd argue that for the vast majority of images, DOF is more important than sharpness - not many images will be ruined by an overall decrease in sharpness but the same cannot be said for insufficient DOF, particularly when the details of both near and far subjects are equally important to the artistic intent.


In the context of OP's landscape shooting I am not sure I agree. I think "the vast majority" of landscapes do not suffer from a lack of DOF even if you shoot at bright apertures like f/1.4.

For example, this one is shot at f/1.4 because it was handheld. I probably should have lowered the shutter too but this was just a test shot to see what the compression was going to look like before I put the subject into the frame.

7IV06347 by acurian, on Flickr

I would try to maximize the dynamic range for a landscape. If the shot has to be handheld, then using f/1.4 to achieve base ISO is an acceptable compromise.

If there is a tripod then I would try to do exposure stacking. There is no need to do focus stacking when the landscape subject is beyond the hyperfocal distance.



Aug 18, 2026 at 11:55 PM
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p.1 #11 · A7R6 and diffraction


I most always use focus stacking now, usually at f/8. My landscape lenses are typically between 50-500mm, mostly 100-400 range. About 8-12 images are often adequate for stacking prior to stitching. I'd probably focus bracket the a7RVI at f/6.3 or similar for the single frame/composition if necessary. I have not tested how well the increment of one covers depth however.

I suspect that Dan shoots subjects more like me, in UT/AZ/NM/CO and places like that normally on a tripod. MS mode at ISO 100 looks great with the DGO. It certainly has more DR than the 5DsR, which was mostly adequate despite theroetically being lower than some sensors.

EBH



Aug 19, 2026 at 12:58 AM
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EB-1 wrote:
I most always use focus stacking now, usually at f/8. My landscape lenses are typically between 50-500mm, mostly 100-400 range. About 8-12 images are often adequate for stacking prior to stitching. I'd probably focus bracket the a7RVI at f/6.3 or similar for the single frame/composition if necessary. I have not tested how well the increment of one covers depth however.

I suspect that Dan shoots subjects more like me, in UT/AZ/NM/CO and places like that normally on a tripod. MS mode at ISO 100 looks great with the DGO. It certainly has more DR than the 5DsR, which was mostly
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What do you think about pixel shift? I was thinking it might be more valuable than focus stacking for landscape photography, while focus stacking seems more useful for macro photography.

Its a pity the A9iii doesn't have pixel shift



Aug 19, 2026 at 01:16 AM
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p.1 #13 · A7R6 and diffraction


EB-1 wrote:
Most people are not going with an Airy disc more than 2x the pixel pitch.
If you have really sharp lenses then maybe even less than that, like 1.5.
In practice f/7.1 is as far as I like to go, but sometimes you need DOF.
Keep in mind that the IQ does not deteriorate with the number of pixels, it just does not improve system resolution.
Focus bracketing and software POV correction have killed the market for new T/S designs.

EBH


When we compute the expected size of the Airy disk it is already assuming a perfect lens.

I dont think this is correct: "If you have really sharp lenses then maybe even less than that, like 1.5"

The Nyquist theorem (or Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem) states that to accurately record or digitize a continuous analog signal without losing information, you must sample it at a rate greater than twice the highest frequency component present in that signal.

This means we want the Airy disk to cover at least 2 pixels on the sensor. If you use 1.5 you are losing information.

If the lens is not perfect you can think of this as the airy disc being larger than the calculated value.



Aug 19, 2026 at 02:23 AM
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p.1 #14 · A7R6 and diffraction


aCuria wrote:
In the context of OP's landscape shooting I am not sure I agree. I think "the vast majority" of landscapes do not suffer from a lack of DOF even if you shoot at bright apertures like f/1.4.

For example, this one is shot at f/1.4 because it was handheld. I probably should have lowered the shutter too but this was just a test shot to see what the compression was going to look like before I put the subject into the frame.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53949870014_8ec0c0c541_b.jpg7IV06347 by acurian, on Flickr

I would try to maximize the dynamic range for a landscape. If the shot has
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I argued adequate DOF is more important than sharpness in the majority of landscapes. That's a bit different than saying a majority of landscapes suffer from lack of DOF.



Aug 19, 2026 at 02:47 AM







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