As an amateur I do wonder how LLL is going to make a 35mm APO lens that can outshine already established lenses - Voightlander 35mm APO lens and command double/triple the price. As a disclaimer - i did pre-order the Titanium version but that was before I learned about voightlander.
lens_payoff_0l wrote:
As an amateur I do wonder how LLL is going to make a 35mm APO lens that can outshine already established lenses - Voightlander 35mm APO lens and command double/triple the price. As a disclaimer - i did pre-order the Titanium version but that was before I learned about voightlander.
highdesertmesa wrote:
Hah. Yeah, the side-by-side face shot was interesting. I much prefer the LLL shot. The Leica has too much microcontrast for portraits, IMO, so that makes the LLL way more versatile.
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JAUrrutia9 wrote:
I didn't want to say it, but same for me. I much preferred the LLL image!
...It's one comparison. I'm sure other tests will be more thorough.
Also, on the portrait comparison he posted, I preferred the LLL image too, without knowing which was which. I'd describe it as a kind of "high-frequency detail gentleness". I don't think that's an easy optical design tweak, but it works great for portraits: you get all the APO color error correction and fine, high-frequency detail, but with slightly gentler contrast, which benefits every part of the image, especially the out-of-focus background.
Bringing back the point about 33×44 sensor coverage, it is absolutely crystal clear from the examples (vignette, cats eye etc) there is zero chance this covers a 33×44 sensor with anything approaching acceptable quality from a rendering perspective.
Looks great on Leica M though, that's for sure.
The product shots definitely don't look like Leica quality to me, but I will reserve judgement until someone like Fred gets a production unit.
lens_payoff_0l wrote:
Completely missed that !!! Therefore I m glad I joined this forum !
But other than size- any other reason major difference between Voightlander and lll ?
Nobody knows for sure, but when I receive an LLL 35/2 APO to review, I'll test it side by side against the Voigtländer 35/2 APO-Lanthar. I think it will be hard to beat the Voigtlander but let's see: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1695782/
Fred Miranda wrote:
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Also, on the portrait comparison he posted, I preferred the LLL image too, without knowing which was which. I'd describe it as a kind of "high-frequency detail gentleness". I don't think that's an easy optical design tweak, but it works great for portraits: you get all the APO color error correction and fine, high-frequency detail, but with slightly gentler contrast, which benefits every part of the image, especially the out-of-focus background.
I have read that different lens designs can have similar sharpness/contrast just shifted to different detail frequencies. The Leica lens clearly is designed like a macro lens to hit the high frequency details with a load of contrast, hence the pores on the subject’s face will jump off the screen at you. Lens coatings are probably different, too, which will impact contrast.
