Surfnsun wrote:
Different tools for different tasks. It’s the same in the fire service. Young firefighters often try to do a job with the wrong tool, and it usually ends up harder than it needs to be.
Leica is a successful company. They’re offering a breadcrumb to customers who want one camera that does everything. I get why. They did their research. I’m just not that customer.
For me, Leica means the M.
I use a Sony A9 for sports and action. Then I have my M setup for everything else. My choice.
It took me decades to arrive at that understanding. Once I stopped expecting one camera to excel at everything, I became a much happier photographer....Show more →
Agree. However, I do find my Sony A1 is closest to what some describe as "The One." The one fairly small and compact high resolution FF mirrorless camera that does it all. I can't wait to see what the A1 III brings.
SlowDriver wrote:
With all respect, It is hard to justify a Leica SL over Canon/Nikon/Sony based on image quality alone.
You can justify an SL based on user experience in my opinion, of if you are an M shooter by its support for M-lenses.
Any other justification is according to me really hard.
And on Leica not trying to be a speed demon, that is not what the marketing material for the SL3-P says...
IMO, one should also not justify a camera on technical specs or technical IQ alone. I believe that one makes better images with cameras that one enjoys more. I acknowledge that some do not feel the difference between shooting with a Sony, Nikon, Canon, Pentax or Leica (missed a couple brands 😁.
LBJ2 wrote:
I think a big step for "Leica". Not the market, but for Leica. The new SL3-P is reportedly "Leica's" best-ever performance camera and from what I've read so far...I think that is how Leica is marketing the SL3-P as their best camera in the performance category.
Yup, by dressing up a Panasonic and charging a premium. I'm fine with people wanting this Leica, but let's call a spade a spade.
SrMi wrote:
IMO, one should also not justify a camera on technical specs or technical IQ alone. I believe that one makes better images with cameras that one enjoys more. I acknowledge that some do not feel the difference between shooting with a Sony, Nikon, Canon, Pentax or Leica (missed a couple brands 😁.
I agree with that, which is why I have an issue with people heralding this model as something it isn't. If you enjoy the SL line, good for you. Just don't act as if this camera is going to beat anything comparable from the other brands. Is isn't. It's a lesser camera for more money, period. If you still want to buy it, sure, go ahead.
Personally, I think Sony cameras are pretty decent rationally, but I don't enjoy Sony gear so I don't use it and I don't want it. Doesn't mean I'm going to state here that MY camera of choice is somehow unique where it rationally isn't. It's just the camera I prefer.
johnvanr wrote:
Yup, by dressing up a Panasonic and charging a premium. I'm fine with people wanting this Leica, but let's call a spade a spade.
Leica and Panasonic's co-development is no secret...for decades now. Besides how do you know the Panasonic is not a reskinned Leica? Ha! --Back at you 😎
But yeah the photography forums know this for years already.
That is how it is since 2002... CL and S lines are dead, since Panasonic doesn't produce them to lower the development and production costs for Leica... SL line is not a big seller either...D-Lux 8 is produced at Panasonic factories...
As one reviewer puts Panasonic S1R II as a nerd camera with all the buttons and menu options... Leica simplifies it and puts its own dng profiles in IP54 rated bodies with a premium price...
Also SL3-P doesn’t have as many AI options as the S1RII. Per Jono's comment:
"Having used the OM1ii which has different AI algorithms for birds / animals / cars / buses / aeroplanes / trains / aardvarks etc .etc. I really like that the SL3P doesn’t – I don’t usually know what I’m going to shoot until it shoots past, and having the wrong algorithm is a pain – the SL3P seems to focus pretty well anyway, so it’s not a bother. Perhaps less is better?"
johnvanr wrote:
Yup, by dressing up a Panasonic and charging a premium. I'm fine with people wanting this Leica, but let's call a spade a spade.
Surfnsun wrote:
It took me decades to arrive at that understanding. Once I stopped expecting one camera to excel at everything, I became a much happier photographer.
100%
It also provides a convenient justification for GAS. "I need this camera for action. And that one for landscapes. And that one for the studio. And that one for Japan. And that one for April". Not going to reuse the same body for everything like some kind of uncultured animal.
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