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The seeping, seething bitterness that someone was sent something for free when you (the royal you) wasn’t is such a dumb vibe that is permeating every photography discussion medium.

Do something of value for the photographic community, work to build a brand relationship, share some knowledge…ANYTHING.

The average complainer has no clue about what it takes to make a compelling, tight 10 min video, let alone a 45-60 minute long form educational video. All content you happily watch FOR FREE.

I’m still learning my way around it, but it has given me a totally new perspective on the matter.


I'm assuming that this is directed at me, as I'm the one suggesting that the money spent to give gear away results in a disingenuous analysis of the gear. Good luck on your YouTube endeavors, but know that most experienced people in the media are seeing declining income. I've been a part of the production side on the back end... editing work and filming for others, I certainly know the time it takes. For most, it is one income stream... a tiny income stream, but seeing people watch the creator's video and comment on a video offers a great ego/dopamine boost that can be borderline addictive.

There remains a few people in the YouTube photo business that have my respect... for whatever that's worth, but there are many who don't.

There are no sour grapes on my end... I am just saying, buyer beware.

Now, I will gracefully bow out of this part of the discussion and let you have the last word.
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Jul 02, 2026 at 12:38 AM
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Lens reviews - images always count most with YT 'reviews'. I've found very few produce work that lies far from the mainstream. And that makes sense because they know their audiences and their tastes, environments and scope. It's a two way street.

I have a rule for them: if you do not lead off with 15-20 thoughtful and well-presented images, you are out. So many of them also offer the same boilerplate upfront; (makers name) sent me this lens but the review is all my opinions, they did not get to see it before publishing.' But the producer didn't have to
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Unless they’re independently wealthy, they have no choice. To get the audience, you have to get the product before release. To be totally unbiased, you have to buy the thing yourself. These two things are already contrary to each other.

To get the product early, you can’t screw over a manufacturer or their PR company. You won’t get the next product.

So, even though you have to send most stuff back, you are dependent on the manufacturer if you want to build your audience.

With some exceptions, it’s always been like that in much of product-oriented journalism. Car journalists for major publications have had a new car in their garage every week, courtesy of the car makers. Travel writers get hosted for free, etc. In some countries, journalists get freebies just because they belong to a professional trade group. In small communities, the local supermarkets and car dealers never got bad press because they were the largest advertisers. In trade press, the writers don’t ask critical questions and the ‘experts’ cited in an article, are not incidentally working for the advertisers that bought a page.

In Europe traditionally journalists have taken the freebies with the attitude that they’re still going to screw the company if they feel like it. At least that’s what they will tell you. In the US, they struggled more with the whole notion, but knew you can’t cover stuff you can’t afford to buy for review. The only exceptions can be the largest publications who do have the money to refuse freebies (but even their journalists get the weekly car…). So, the reporters for Reuters, the WSJ, the NYT etc. will not be allowed to take the freebies and the free travel, etc. etc. When I worked for a global news service, we signed an annual ethics statement that prevented all kinds of stuff.

So, good for those YouTubers that they now state their relationship with manufacturers.

Quite honestly, while on a personal level I hated ‘the game’ when I wrote my blog, I’m much more concerned about the political game of ‘access’ in journalism than about product reviews. That shit actually matters.

Finally, why would one have to be a great photographer to review products? People state that here all the time, but reviews are technical exercises, not artistic ones.

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Jul 02, 2026 at 12:47 AM
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I'm assuming that this is directed at me, as I'm the one suggesting that the money spent to give gear away results in a disingenuous analysis of the gear. Good luck on your YouTube endeavors, but know that most experienced people in the media are seeing declining income. I've been a part of the production side on the back end... editing work and filming for others, I certainly know the time it takes. For most, it is one income stream... a tiny income stream, but seeing people watch the creator's video and comment on a video offers a great ego/dopamine
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I think for Hasselblad, the move was genius. Cheaper than buying an ad.

I also think it outed some YouTubers in that they had gone on for years about how you don’t need anything more than what they were shooting with at the time and then ended up keeping and using their ‘free’ Hasselblads. Shows their hypocrisy.

The YouTubers I watch, I watch because they’re entertaining enough to spend a few minutes on.



Jul 02, 2026 at 12:55 AM
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Only thing that I can tell so far ... is the interface of focusing algorithm's for Leica body > Leica lens (so I've read) vs. Leica body with generic focusing algorithm on non-Leica lenses vs. non-Leica bodies with Leica lenses focusing algorithm, not optimized for the body / lens software relationship.

Again, this ^ is only what I've read about. Other than that, the ubiquitous things about IP rating, build quality, size, menu, shape of grip, button layout consistency to other Leica products, etc. Mostly just those things that are "signature" to Leica are what I've been able to discern.

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I think lens/body communication matters, and L-Mount does allow manufacturers to optimize their own lenses and bodies. But I don’t think it’s accurate to say Leica lenses have a Leica focusing algorithm that only works properly on Leica bodies. The AF system is mostly body-side, and Panasonic officially supports Leica SL lenses on the S1RII family with AF modes. So unless there’s a specific tested lens/body combo showing better hit rates on the SL3-P, I wouldn’t use that as the main justification for the Leica price difference.



Jul 02, 2026 at 01:04 AM
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Why would one lead with anything but? Are you of the mind that FM users are creating threads to share work that they don't think is good? Or they're just hiding the work they're truly proud of because...reasons?

Here's what I think: I think it's lame to frequent a photography forum, critique the work of others, and not have links to your own work available to see. I think it's even weirder if you do frequent a photography forum, and only share your mid-tier work. That's just bizarre.

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Am I the only one who skips over those images? And think many images here don’t do justice to the expensive gear they were made with?

If I want inspiration, which nowadays comes from so many places it gets too be a mess as well, I look at the work of people I consider great or shoot things I’m interested in.

If I want a sense of a camera or lens, I don’t care if the images are aesthetically pleasing. That’s not how you test a camera or lens.

Those YT videos are just entertainment or handy, that’s it. And I read the comments here because I’m interested in the comments. I generally don’t know if someone takes pictures that I like and if their idea of what’s good matches mine. Nor do I care, because we’re discussing gear, not practice.

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Jul 02, 2026 at 01:09 AM
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From B&H (Leica USA had the same):

SL3: Dimensions (W x H x D) 5.6 x 4.3 x 3.3" / 141.2 x 108 x 84.6 mm
SL3-P: Dimensions (W x H x D) 5.96 x 4.25 x 3.3" / 151.45 x 108.05 x 84.6 mm

Weights were only 1gm different.


B&H isn't the best place when it comes to accuracy. Leica’s official technical-spec pages shows they have the same dimensions.














Jul 02, 2026 at 01:11 AM
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Unless they’re independently wealthy, they have no choice. To get the audience, you have to get the product before release. To be totally unbiased, you have to buy the thing yourself. These two things are already contrary to each other.

To get the product early, you can’t screw over a manufacturer or their PR company. You won’t get the next product.

So, even though you have to send most stuff back, you are dependent on the manufacturer if you want to build your audience.

With some exceptions, it’s always been like that in much of product-oriented journalism. Car journalists for major
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I wouldn't call anything here journalism though. Bob Woodward and Ronan Farrow are journalists. Most tech reviewers are bloggers and pundits, reporters at best. There's a lot of "access journalism," which ain't journalism. This isn't true of all outlets, some like Wired or The Verge who have strong separations between Ad and News divisions, but none of these YouTubers have that kinda infrastructure. It's marketing through and through. Creators were outright calling themselves marketers at Cannes Lions, and I like it. Call it what it is.

I try to find "creators," whose sensibilities align with mine to get a gut feel on a product, and then if I really am considering purchasing it, I'll rent it for a weekend or more to form my own opinions. I'll probably end up doing that with the SL3-P and 24-90 TBH.

Am I the only one who skips over those images? And think many images here don’t do justice to the expensive gear they were made with?

Now this is a can of worms and I don't wanna hurt feelings, so I'm leaving it alone!



Jul 02, 2026 at 01:11 AM
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I also think it outed some YouTubers in that they had gone on for years about how you don’t need anything more than what they were shooting with at the time and then ended up keeping and using their ‘free’ Hasselblads. Shows their hypocrisy.

A peculiar conclusion. What does one have to do with the other? Besides, any adult has only themselves to blame if they imagine that some random YouTuber could even remotely judge what any given individual out there "needs" or doesn't. That notion is simply silly.

johnvanr wrote:
The YouTubers I watch, I watch because they’re entertaining enough to spend a few minutes on.

Exactly. 😊



Jul 02, 2026 at 01:15 AM
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RoamingScott wrote:
The seeping, seething bitterness that someone was sent something for free when you (the royal you) wasn’t is such a dumb vibe that is permeating every photography discussion medium.

Do something of value for the photographic community, work to build a brand relationship, share some knowledge…ANYTHING.

The average complainer has no clue about what it takes to make a compelling, tight 10 min video, let alone a 45-60 minute long form educational video. All content you happily watch FOR FREE.

I’m still learning my way around it, but it has given me a totally new perspective on the matter.


I agree with that, but often wish YouTubers would learn how to say what they have to say in half the time. Video, in terms of signal to noise, has gotten worse over time with many YT makers droning on. It’s the equivalent of writing for the school paper.

And, no, I haven’t made YT videos, but I started my journalism career in professional television and I’ve done my fair share of editing before I switched to written journalism, partly because to avoid the enormous hassle of making video.



Jul 02, 2026 at 01:16 AM
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A peculiar conclusion. What does one have to do with the other? Besides, any adult has only themselves to blame if they imagine that some random YouTuber could even remotely judge what any given individual out there "needs" or doesn't. That notion is simply silly.

Exactly. 😊


With my first statement I’m referring to the YT moment every maker seems to encounter where they feel inspired to produce the video that says that the camera they currently own, whether that’s an MFT camera or a relatively low resolution FF camera, is more than enough to produce large prints (something we all known to be true for about 10 years now). So,mthey declare themselves happy with what they have.

And the Hasselblad comes in and - as I understand it - tells them they can sponsor a video at the regular rate or they can send over a camera and lens to keep (whereas the gear usually is just on loan). Most jump on the opportunity to get a camera they wouldn’t have bought and many keep using it, even though the camera is way more than they’ve earlier stated they ever need. So, I’m pointing out their hypocrisy.

I can understand it, but despite the fact that many of them work hard at this, it also shows a certain lack of true professionalism. And I find it strange that they don’t come clean and produce a video stating why they kept the gear and use it despite it being overkill for the end result they seek. That to me shows their thinking isn’t aimed enough at their viewers, who in the end are all that matters.



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If anything this cheapened the brand. Leica isn’t giving people their prized product for engagement. They’re giving influencers factory tours and then the influencers upload videos defending their product price points. They’re showcasing photogs whose work is well regarded in their galleries across the world, publishing videos of said events, then hiring those same photogs to interview their product officers or create marketing content for camera and lens launches. I may not be articulating it well but it is not the same as Hasselblad’s approach.



Sure, it’s a different approach. I think Hasselblad under DJI is just trying to build market share. Their camera prices have also come down from the stratosphere to reasonable. Not their lens prices though. But that’s probably partly because they’re competing hard with Fuji in a narrow space and both companies are well known for superior colors. So, considering they use the same Sony sensors, there’s not much competition opportunities left. May as well make your brand the beautiful one to own.

Leica, on the other hand, still has two rather unique lines that no other brand thinks are interesting enough to make it worth their while competing in. So, they can play the artistic game, which to a large extent is BS but also smart. If you’re the only brand with galleries hawking your wares as if great images have always been taken with Leica, that’s a strong statement, even though great images have been taken with every brand in existence.



Jul 02, 2026 at 01:44 AM
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I just don't get what people find so objectionable about providing equipment for review, or giving products to influencers. This is standard marketing methods on today's media World. It has been standard practice in pretty much all industries as far back as I can remember. Only the platforms have changed.

If you keep the relationships in context when viewing the resulting content then these practices are very valuable to consumers. Just as it has always been.

I just don't get it guys.



Jul 02, 2026 at 02:37 AM
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I don't get the objections to marketing either. Without marketing, the companies would not be able to have successful product launches. Yes, we can be skeptical of paid reviews or those that received freebies as part of the review, but that does not mean they do not contain relevant information. After all, the reviewers also have their reputation to maintain.
When a reviewer disagrees with our opinion, it does not mean the reason is the freebies.



Jul 02, 2026 at 02:45 AM
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johnvanr wrote:
I also think it outed some YouTubers in that they had gone on for years about how you don’t need anything more than what they were shooting with at the time and then ended up keeping and using their ‘free’ Hasselblads. Shows their hypocrisy.

The YouTubers I watch, I watch because they’re entertaining enough to spend a few minutes on.


+1 ... sorta ... meaning that for some of those, it was hypocrisy. Others, might have actually "grown" from the experience, in facilitating the shift.

But, either way ... yeah, they changed their tune a bit.




Jul 02, 2026 at 05:29 AM
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If I want a sense of a camera or lens, I don’t care if the images are esthetically pleasing. That’s not how you test a camera or lens.

Those YT videos are just entertainment or handy, that’s it.


Definitely take them with good dose of salt. They can be a stimulus for my own fodder of consideration ... but, definitely recognize that no matter how much they say they are not biased, there comes a degree of influence the mfr and the process of being an influencer has on the influencer.

Even as it is unintended bias ... you watch enough of them, and you come to realize the influencers have been influenced.


I mean, the same folks that a scant few months / years / product releases ago ... would decry the Leica / Hasselblad tools as being "questionable" choices when so many other options are available for both performance / price point.

Now, those same influencers are touting what a joyful experience (spec / price be darned) the Leica / Hasselblad experience is.

And, of those that I watched regarding the SL3-P ... ummm, I didn't see much mention of the SL3-P vs. S1R II. I mean, if you are REALLY going to be unbiased, that's a seemingly obvious question that is a bit of an elephant in the room. And yet, crickets by many. Bias through omission ...

Makes me wonder if there could be some contractual criteria that excludes such direct comparison ... i.e. limiting the discussion to the provided product only. Kinda like how they have (at times) been limited to revealing jpgs (vs. raw), and they acquiesce to the mfr's limitations. IDK, just seems peculiar that the elephant is MIA. That said, I still appreciate the influencers putting out their product, but I'm not likely as naive today as I once was about the significance of their emotional presentation.



Hmmmm ... who's influencing who.









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Jul 02, 2026 at 05:36 AM
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I wouldn't call anything here journalism though. Bob Woodward and Ronan Farrow are journalists. Most tech reviewers are bloggers and pundits, reporters at best. There's a lot of "access journalism," which ain't journalism. This isn't true of all outlets, some like Wired or The Verge who have strong separations between Ad and News divisions, but none of these YouTubers have that kinda infrastructure. It's marketing through and through. Creators were outright calling themselves marketers at Cannes Lions, and I like it. Call it what it is.

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Sure, they're not journalists. Nowadays, a lot of journalists aren't real journalists either, though. The whole game has changed, which is why I am very limited in the sources I read for information that matters and even then we know journalists are being played all the time, often with their own knowledge.

Anyway, the problem with many YouTubers is that they act as if they're above it all, while it's virtually impossible to actually be objective (or subjective in the way you'd want to be). Only the ones who aren't chasing a living wage or make their money with out being dependent on manufacturers can be mostly independent (Sean Tucker comes to mind, for example). So, they want us to believe they are like journalists, when they are clearly not. But all those photo magazines in the past weren't much better. It has always been a sucking up game.

I've said it here before, but when I interviewed a Leica marketing guy for my blog, my questions apparently were so tough, his PR person came up to me and asked me about my background, because she wasn't used to that kind of questioning. I found my questions merely logical. And when Zeiss asked me to contribute to their blog, I refused, saying I couldn't write for mine and theirs at the same time. Some 'trusted' names in the business, however, were soon writing for Zeiss.



Jul 02, 2026 at 05:50 AM
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I just don't get what people find so objectionable about providing equipment for review, or giving products to influencers. This is standard marketing methods on today's media World. It has been standard practice in pretty much all industries as far back as I can remember. Only the platforms have changed.

If you keep the relationships in context when viewing the resulting content then these practices are very valuable to consumers. Just as it has always been.

I just don't get it guys.


As long as they either give the context or we are all made media savvy enough to know that it's a game.

I think media literacy should be an obligatory course in high school. It's actually astounding to me that publications like the NYT and the WSJ are considered fake by a lot of people, while the reporters working there are held to higher standards than your average politician, for example. And even they are being played, just not with money, but with 'exclusive' news and the kind of access that gets them prominently placed articles or vaunted awards. If you're at the publication like the Times with hundreds of other journalists, you fight every day to be noticed in your own paper.



Jul 02, 2026 at 05:55 AM
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johnvanr wrote:
So, they want us to believe they are like journalists, when they are clearly not. But all those photo magazines in the past weren't much better. It has always been a sucking up game.


Flashbacks ... to when I believed all the mags.



Jul 02, 2026 at 05:57 AM
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I don't get the objections to marketing either. Without marketing, the companies would not be able to have successful product launches. Yes, we can be skeptical of paid reviews or those that received freebies as part of the review, but that does not mean they do not contain relevant information. After all, the reviewers also have their reputation to maintain.
When a reviewer disagrees with our opinion, it does not mean the reason is the freebies.


A reviewer will not pan a product by a company he wants future business with. That is a potential problem.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens when the Chinese really start hurting the Japanese companies. Then the game will become more difficult for everyone involved.



Jul 02, 2026 at 06:00 AM
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Definitely take them with good dose of salt. They can be a stimulus for my own fodder of consideration ... but, definitely recognize that no matter how much they say they are not biased, there comes a degree of influence the mfr and the process of being an influencer has on the influencer.

Even as it is unintended bias ... you watch enough of them, and you come to realize the influencers have been influenced.

I mean, the same folks that a scant few months / years / product releases ago ... would decry the Leica / Hasselblad tools as
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I doubt there are any contractual criteria. That would be bad for both sides.

When I still had my blog, each company was different. Now, I was very small peanuts, so it's vastly different from the ones with a large audience.

Zeiss, for some reason, sent me lenses, no questions asked. Sometimes they offered lenses before release or allowed me to keep them for a month without a problem. You'd sign a statement that you'd pay for damage, but I dropped an Otus lens on concrete, never paid a dime and kept on receiving lenses. The only time they refused is when I asked for M-mount lenses to be reviewed on mirrorless cameras. They said that these lenses weren't designed to be used that way and thus they didn't want to make copies available for that kind of use.

Sony, Olympus, Canon basically ignored me. Fuji sent stuff long after release. Most of these companies I never pursued seriously anyway.

Nikon clearly stated they could send me a digicam to review and if they liked what I wrote, then maybe they would send me other stuff later. I never followed up with them. I wasn't going to play that game.

And then sometimes you got things out of the blue, like a high-end 32-inch monitor that I ended up not reviewing and sending back. To this day, I think they never thought I would send it back.

Then again, in my real journalism days, Chevrolet delivered a Corvette on my driveway to let me use for a week (after which they again picked it up on my driveway) shortly before Porsche delivered a 911 in much the same way for the same time frame. This was for a story I actually didn't write in the end...



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